mrpushbutton Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Need help with this one, I got nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) An interesting one! I wonder if it is a cut down touring car, though well executed. The wood felloe wheels suggest a date of late teens. Not many cars used ten spoke wheels with seven rim bolts per wheel. Edited September 27, 2016 by nzcarnerd (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Those fenders almost look like Stutz or Kissel except for the 90 degree rear fender to running board attachment. Those cars have a slightly curved forward fender attachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Henderson Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I'm thinking it may be Marmon, ca. 1916. I googled a picture of one with the 7 bolt 10 ferrule wheels. Neat car, bald tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Dave Henderson said: I'm thinking it may be Marmon, ca. 1916. I googled a picture of one with the 7 bolt 10 ferrule wheels. Neat car, bald tires. If you are referring to the black(?) roadster it has 12 spoke rear wheels (the mystery car has 10 spoke front and rear) and I think the radiator does not match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Looks to be a round radiator emblem and not oval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 17 Marmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I doubt that green chummy roadster had those wheels on it in 1917. The radiator is nothing like the one on the mystery car but the engine hood is very similar in shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldford Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 That green chummy roadster is a 22 to my recollection. My 17 touring has 25 inch wires that are the same as those. Marmon 34 cars had wires from 1916 right up through 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Marmon has an oval emblem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Henderson Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 13 hours ago, nzcarnerd said: If you are referring to the black(?) roadster it has 12 spoke rear wheels (the mystery car has 10 spoke front and rear) and I think the radiator does not match. Yes, that roadster that you also googled is the one I referred to, and it indeed does have 12 ferrule rear wheels. But the mystery car is very likely a "special", and could have had numerous changes and modifications. Perhaps my optics are deficient, but with the dark angled picture I am unable to determine that the emblem is round rather than oval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, Dave Henderson said: Yes, that roadster that you also googled is the one I referred to, and it indeed does have 12 ferrule rear wheels. But the mystery car is very likely a "special", and could have had numerous changes and modifications. Perhaps my optics are deficient, but with the dark angled picture I am unable to determine that the emblem is round rather than oval. Looks round, to me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Almost certainly a later restyle of earlier car. Chassis could be anywhere from mid teens to early 20's I suspect even the rad shell has been modified. Not much to go on. If someone went to the trouble of such a complete remodel then even the rad emblem may be a "special". We are probably looking at a car where only the wheels / hubs , etc are from the orig. car. Greg in Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keiser31 Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, 1912Staver said: Almost certainly a later restyle of earlier car. Chassis could be anywhere from mid teens to early 20's I suspect even the rad shell has been modified. Not much to go on. If someone went to the trouble of such a complete remodel then even the rad emblem may be a "special". We are probably looking at a car where only the wheels / hubs , etc are from the orig. car. Greg in Canada I agree. Not much of it looks like a production car to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, oldford said: That green chummy roadster is a 22 to my recollection. My 17 touring has 25 inch wires that are the same as those. Marmon 34 cars had wires from 1916 right up through 24. The reason for my comment regarding the wheels was that they do not look right for the car; they are too small for the fenders. I reckon they are only about 21". It looks as if it needs a taller, skinnier, wheel/tyre combo. Edited September 28, 2016 by nzcarnerd (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldford Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I re-read my post and I think it came off sounding harsh, sorry, did not mean to. That particular car may have the 20" wheels that became optional, not sure of the year. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpushbutton Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 I should have mentioned that I knew that it has a Shutte body, and they made many re-fit bodies for older, "experienced" chassis. Here is a pic of the 1914 Cadillac we have in the collection with a Shutte body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 When I first saw the mystery car on this page I thought of the car in the attached pic which I have only just found again, and I think may have come from this forum but I have no record. Still unidentified as far as I know. I suspect both may have radiators modified from original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I see holes on the running boards on Nerd's car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 On 3/10/2016 at 3:31 PM, nzcarnerd said: When I first saw the mystery car on this page I thought of the car in the attached pic which I have only just found again, and I think may have come from this forum but I have no record. Still unidentified as far as I know. I suspect both may have radiators modified from original. I think the touring car here with no radiator badge might be a Mitchell from 1917-19.Check the rear fenders and the windshield brackets. Could that be a Mitchell radiator on our mystery speedster?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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