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The second car has a Chummy Roadster body.  Not many makers built them.  Those I can think of include Chandler, Haynes and Pathfinder.  I think this one dates from about 1917 but I don't know what it is.  That white line around the top of the body has to be a clue.

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I think Craig may have got it with Winton.  Check this one   -   http://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Winton/16-Winton-33-Touring-DV-11-PBC_02.jpg   - tall radiator filler, headlights well forward of the radiator and those access panels along the side below the body. Also the hood latch and the hood handle immediately adjacent to it. Probably difficult to nail the date exactly as Winton did not make many changes through that era, but around 1916-17 I reckon.

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