adoldfield Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Buick unveiled Cascada, its first convertible in 25 years tonight in Detroit, plus a stunning 4-door concept called Avenir.Cascada is a 2+2 four seat droptop with 200 hp standard turbocharged engine. You can lower the top at speeds up to 31 mph! It will be in showrooms in early 2016.Avenir is a gorgeous 4 door concept to show design language we will see in future Buicks.I am unable to upload my photos tonight...while I work on that, here are links to GM website with info on each:Avenir:http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2015/Jan/naias/buick/0111-avenir-concept.htmlCascada:http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2015/Jan/naias/buick/0111-cascada-2016.htmlAlan OldfieldBCA# 15140 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidAU Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 The Avenair concept car was made in Austraia by Holden. If it goes into production it will probably be built in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stock_steve Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 ...If it goes into production it will probably be built in China...Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlCapone Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 If it is made in China it will have a mammoth image problem to overcome. In my opinion, more so than ever before Americans want a product that creates American jobs, and rightly so !Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stock_steve Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 If it is made in China it will have a mammoth image problem to overcome. In my opinion, more so than ever before Americans want a product that creates American jobs, and rightly so !WayneNo argument for sure, Wayne, and I doubt I would ever buy a China-made Buick. However, I've also heard that Buicks are HUGE sellers in China, so can only guess there must be some cold, hard business decisions being made on this one...http://www.businessinsider.com/why-chinese-buyers-love-buick-2013-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AlCapone Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Two points to be made. Our servicemen and ex servicemen did not put their lives on the line to watch our jobs go to a communist country and we should respect that as should General Motors.Secondly the vast majority of Chinese are still working for enough rice to feed their families. Not all but a large majority !Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarNucopia Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I'm curious, where did you read that Holden built this car?The Avenair concept car was made in Austraia by Holden. If it goes into production it will probably be built in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avgwarhawk Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 No argument for sure, Wayne, and I doubt I would ever buy a China-made Buick. However, I've also heard that Buicks are HUGE sellers in China, so can only guess there must be some cold, hard business decisions being made on this one...http://www.businessinsider.com/why-chinese-buyers-love-buick-2013-4If it was not for the love of Buick in China I believe Buick would be closing their doors. Never-the-less, the car should be built in the USA IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidAU Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 "I'm curious, where did you read that Holden built this car?"Brisbane (Australia) Courier Mail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Maine Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I recently read that Buick sold over 900,000 vehicles in China compared with something around 235,000 in the US. At the time of the GM bankruptcy, I seem to remember reading somewhere that Pontiac would have survived rather than Buick except for the fact that Buick was doing so well in China. I like the front, rear and front /side view of the Avenir but don't like the rear quarter view. It reminds me of the Honda Crosstour and the Porsche Panamera. It needs a longer rear deck or something. And I'm sure if it comes to the US in some form, it will be outrageously expensive. Look what GM wants for the Chevy SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarNucopia Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 That was a well keep secret, thanks for sharing the article. I'm glad to hear GM is keeping the folks at Holden busy, they do good work. I owned a Pontiac G8 GXP which was a rebadged Commodore. I was a fantastic car. When people asked why on earth I would buy a Pontiac, I told them I didn't. I bought a Holden. And the reason I bought it was because the only people building classic America cars were Australian. [ATTACH=CONFIG]290783[/ATTACH]"I'm curious, where did you read that Holden built this car?"Brisbane (Australia) Courier Mail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I think the Buick Cascada convertible is awkward looking:It has styling that looks like a loafer. Having a raised reartakes all the grace out of that vehicle.On the other hand, the Avenir looks great to me, at leastfrom the angle shown in the website's picture. If that camein 15 or more colors, and had interiors other than gray and tan--and, most importantly, turned out to be extremely reliable--Buicks would be selling very well. Buick, build the Avenir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I looked at other pictures of it on Google images.Great from the front! Great from the side!But I think it looks stubby from the rear, andshould have been somewhat longer so the manyconflicting rear curves could flow better to a conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51dyno Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 The two new models are to be built off shore. One in china the other in Poland. I would not buy either one after my bad Mexican Rendezvous ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Mr. 51 dyno, are you saying that General Motorshas officially announced the production of those twoconcept cars? I had not heard that. Ususally, conceptcars are just to whet designers' imaginations, givesome splash to the brand, and assess public reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarNucopia Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 The Cascada is already being built and sold as an Opel. Mr. 51 dyno, are you saying that General Motorshas officially announced the production of those twoconcept cars? I had not heard that. Ususally, conceptcars are just to whet designers' imaginations, givesome splash to the brand, and assess public reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjamin j Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Speaking from my experience as an electrical engineer, no one involved with electronics will buy products from china unless they are just trying to make junk. They have zero quality control. This next part is the real scary part. Metal made in china gives off radiation due to their smelting process. They dump coal ash into the molten metal to get rid of the ash and because they just don’t care about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Benjamin, thanks for the knowledgeable comments of an engineer in that field.I've understood that some of the electronics of the 1980's(such as in the Cadillac Allante, and various other GM cars)have had trouble too. Any insights on those? Were theyjust constructed lightly and not ruggedly built to last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest my3buicks Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Speaking from my experience as an electrical engineer, no one involved with electronics will buy products from china unless they are just trying to make junk. They have zero quality control. This next part is the real scary part. Metal made in china gives off radiation due to their smelting process. They dump coal ash into the molten metal to get rid of the ash and because they just don’t care about anything.Oh come on REALLY???? GM cars being sold and or built in China are NOT a Chinese company and would have the same controls and quality as any GM car built anywhere in the world. More than likely the steel is shipped from the US which is not uncommon now. Nothing worse than rumor and fear mongers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest my3buicks Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Benjamin, thanks for the knowledgeable comments of an engineer in that field.I've understood that some of the electronics of the 1980's(such as in the Cadillac Allante, and various other GM cars)have had trouble too. Any insights on those? Were theyjust constructed lightly and not ruggedly built to last?John you have to understand the complex electronics in cars such as the Allante, Reatta, Imperials, etc of the late 80's and early 90's - these cars were pioneering electrical gadgets and functions never before seen in cars - A fully functional touch screen command center in 88 - way ahead of it's time, as with most new items and growth, early problems arise, and like anything else electronic that is 25 years old now, problems arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 A couple of years ago, I interviewed a former General Managerof Oldsmobile (an AACA member) and a prominent former dealer.The dealer, who sat on an Olds committee and was sincerely interested in good service, readily acknowledged the electrical problems seen in some '80's GM cars.I was grateful for his forthrightness. It was felt that electrical problems were one of the contributors to Olds' noticeable decline from formerly top sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_S_in_Penna Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Keith, I would hope Chinese Buicks are built to the samestandards as American Buicks. With much of the manufacturingprocess automated these days, such a parity should be easier to achieve.But I understand that at one time, English Fords were so poorly made,that they were successfully sold only in England. They wereevidently not well regarded on the European continent. Ford'squality thus varied with location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 If it is made in China it will have a mammoth image problem to overcome. In my opinion, more so than ever before Americans want a product that creates American jobs, and rightly so !WayneThen America should support them like China does. In 2013, 4 times more Buicks were sold in China than were sold in the U.S. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bkazmer Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Then America should support them like China does. In 2013, 4 times more Buicks were sold in China than were sold in the U.S. CraigExactly. Buick design work is increasing done in their largest market, China. The resulting vehicle can still be built here, but that will be an economic decision. The convertible market in China though is tiny, so the German Opel is the basis. The "nationality" of a vehicle is a complicated thing these days.Personally, I agree that the Velite was more attractive. That Cascada A-pillar/beltline area is a mess of Bangle-like proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjamin j Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 thats not at all how it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjamin j Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Oh come on REALLY???? GM cars being sold and or built in China are NOT a Chinese company and would have the same controls and quality as any GM car built anywhere in the world. More than likely the steel is shipped from the US which is not uncommon now. Nothing worse than rumor and fear mongersthats not at all how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LINC400 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Oh come on REALLY???? GM cars being sold and or built in China are NOT a Chinese company and would have the same controls and quality as any GM car built anywhere in the world. More than likely the steel is shipped from the US which is not uncommon now. Nothing worse than rumor and fear mongersHow is it any different than all of the Hondas and Toyotas that are built here that they try to pass off as American cars? They even show up on lists of "Most American Cars" with 72% or whatever supposed percent American parts and built here. So supposedly this means they are more American than vehicles produced by GM, Ford, and Chrysler.To me, they are still foreign. But they still show up on the lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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