gabrielquinn Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I am aware that much has been discussed on this topic in the past, yet has anyone installed this set of Control arm bushing set from CARS, inc. (Old Buick Parts).http://www.oldbuickparts.com/catalog/1963-up-riviera-group-rear-axle-control-arm-bushing-1963-65-riviera-set-p-7516.htmlSomeone mentioned that they are not the proper size, yet it mentioned on the part that "these are the correct length." I was unsure if they have changed them to fit properly as I need some for a frame off restoration on a '64 Riviera. Or should I go with the Rare Parts:http://shop.rareparts.com/smtp/shopdisplaycategories.asp?iyear=1964&imake=0006|BUICK&imodel=0123|RIVIERA&iproduct=0048|SHOCKS%20AND%20STRUTSThank you for any insights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slosteve Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I am aware that much has been discussed on this topic in the past, yet has anyone installed this set of Control arm bushing set from CARS, inc. (Old Buick Parts).Or should I go with the Rare PartsThank you for any insights.Those that CARS, inc. offer APPEAR to be the same as the Rare Parts items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinRiviDad Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) Frame off restoration?? Pictures pls…we likey pictures lol If your like me, & wanna save a buck or $300 read thru this link below. Two guys from the forum followed the steps in the link with great results. One of the guys is my friend with a 64 & he's happier than flys on chit. I hope others will follow suit… I don't know anyone who's installed the CARS bushings cuz they are NOT the right size. Even tho they STILL show that they are. If u have more money than time then order the Rare Parts bushings for a flawless experience. edit: old link no longer worked due to forum update. Here is the new link http://forums.aaca.org/topic/226485-disturbing-details65-riv-trailing-arm-bushings/ Edited August 15, 2016 by RockinRiviDad (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRRivi64 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Thanks to David's ("RockinRiviDad") detailed build thread regarding the subject of rear control arm bushings and "slosteve's" details regarding his fabrication/modification of his rear control arm bushings, I built up some courage to attempt the fab/mod of rear bushings myself. With the info from David and slosteve, I too went to my local metal shop and purchased a footlong steel tube (less than $10) and ordered the identified bushings from David's original post. I then went to a local machinist, who had previously machined some axle spacers for my bike, and had him cut the steel tube to essentially make spacers for the Rivi bushings. The machinist made the spacers within a couple of hours and charged me only a few $ for his time. Attached are some pics, I will add more in another reply with additional info. I saved myself some $$$ and could not (most likely would not) have done this without David's initial post and slosteve's fabrication post. I owe you guys a beer (more like cases of beer)! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRRivi64 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I used measurements as posted by David and slosteve and measured parts/pieces to compare using digital caliper…note difference in length of bushing with/without round tube(spacer) compared to center spacer removed from original bushing. The overall difference was approximately 0.25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRRivi64 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Here is a mock up of the bushings with spacer at ADJUSTABLE UPPER control arm and REAR LOWER control arm. Bushings are NOT torqued down. As previously mentioned by David and slosteve the outer diameter of the bushing shell/housing had to be taken down minimally to be able to be pressed back into control arm. Same process described by slosteve…I measured and re-measured for fitment…this process took some time. Unfortunately, I've got more time than money so this process worked best for me and was not as difficult as I expected…it felt good to get my hands dirty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I would say that getting your hands dirty was well worth it. Nice job and thanks for all of the pictures.Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slosteve Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Great stuff Jeff, glad you were able to take advantage of the info in that thread. Saved me a TON of $$$ and got some satisfaction too. By the way, it appears that Rare Parts has significantly reduced prices on those that they sell. Coincidence?!Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinRiviDad Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Gabriel, hope this stuff helps Jeff, thanks for posting all the nice pix. Job well done my friend, impressive work. Keep it up. Steve, thanks for leading the pack with details on how to make this all work in our favor. I saw the $9 price reduction on the Rare Parts bushing I'm afraid they are still kind of pricey haha Come on Gabriel, its your turn to make your own bushings & maybe the Rare Parts bushings will come down another $9 for the next guy (& so on & so forth) haha... this is a movement lol lets keep it moving boys Edited February 11, 2018 by RockinRiviDad (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinRiviDad Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Well so much for trying to help a brutha out lol it was brought to my attention that gabrielquinn is Missing In Action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Perhaps he's like some of the guys on an antique bicycle site that I watch. They'll take the info, use it, and feel that you just owed it to them because some guys their age are just entitled to free information without any feedback or thanks, My opinion based on some guys on other forums. As we used to say at school "Everyone is warming up for the choir. It's all me me-me-me-me-me" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabrielquinn Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 Or perhaps disparaging remarks are not appropriate for this forum?Yeah, originally I attempted to reply immediately, Yet spent many hours trying to figure out how to upload photos of the frame off restoration. I essentially did not get back to it faster, because like most people here, I am sure, I have been insanely busy. I think I just recently found a way to downsize and upload pictures, but am still working on it. Sorry for the delay in response.So, for the record: I am not MIA nor am I warming up for the choir and really don't get why the comments were made...Anyway, I absolutely appreciate the information and effort given and find the intel invaluable; Thank you.I would like to fabricate my own, because the price point that Rare Parts is selling at seems draconian, and it is almost unbelievable that CARS would sell the wrong size with such a high price; I will have to see if I have the proper resources at my disposal. I will attempt to attach pictures that are not too lage of file, but can also be seen with the naked eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabrielquinn Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 Still working on the photo upload thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinRiviDad Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) Comments were only made in good humor...no harm intended, we like to smile. I started up with the comments in hopes to verify that you got the info that a few guys worked hard at posting for you. I am ecstatic that we found an avenue to make our own bushings & I would love to see u benefit from it too. I am on a mission to push guys on making these since my a$$ still hurts from the money I paid for the Rare Parts bushings haha Love the pix...yes you have been busy...as we all are. It looks like you have some talent (or at least a lot determination haha), with that said I am certain u can make these bushings & save some dough. I think Jeff used a hand drill & a bastard file (sorry Jeff if I've got that wrong). Slosteve chucked his bushings up in a drill press...I might have those backwards...I've been a bit of a scatter brain lately. You should start a build thread for all these cool pix Gabriel. Thats what I did & that way all your pix stay on one thread. PM me your number & I can help u with a free photo service like photobucket (that's what I use) to post all your pix from & it protects your personal info. Thieving bastards can some how see where your taking pictures from & show up to take your stuff...rat bastards can't find anything better to do. I'll post a thread on that for all to see what these low life's do keep up the good work gabe, holler if you need anything Edited February 11, 2018 by RockinRiviDad (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabrielquinn Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 Hehe, yeah; I don't want my a$$ to hurt more than needed.Grandfather drove his '64 till he died at 91 years old, and it shows on the car. We had to replace both front fenders...Black with red interior. It should be nice and sinister when done. Thanks again!Gabriel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbuff2 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Maybe someone can make the spacers and offer them for sale so everyone doesn't have to re-invent the wheel. Those would be good to have, just in case, if you don't need them now .... as long as you have the Riv, the day will come. Any takers, I will buy the first set. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinRiviDad Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) Cool hoist. I must've missed the group order on a hoist for my garage. Everyone seems to have one now...I want one haha Nice thing about the black interior is that you can paint the car almost any color. I did a frame off too. Check out my build thread...hopefully u will find some helpful info there too Edited February 11, 2018 by RockinRiviDad (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinRiviDad Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 (edited) Paul, great idea. So far Slosteve & Jeff are the only ones who posted their successful fabrication of the spacers. Edited August 21, 2014 by RockinRiviDad (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RivNut Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Hey,Everyone give their input on what they'd pay for a pair of spacers. I'm betting there's someone out there who'd jump at the chance to do something like this.Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool57 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Cool hoist. I must've missed the group order on a hoist for my garage. Everyone seems to have one now...I want one lolNice thing about the black interior is that you can paint the car almost any color.I did a frame off too. Check out my build thread...hopefully u will find some helpful info there tooI missed it too! Dang! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinRiviDad Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 How's the progress coming Gabe?David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KQQLCAT Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 I am so glad I found this thread, I was giving up on buying new bushings till I read this. I have ordered the bushings listed here and will attempt this procedure. Before I make the spacers has anyone decided to sell them?ThanksPat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRRivi64 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Yo Patsent you a PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinRiviDad Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Woo whoo! That's what I'm talking about! Now we're making some love connections haha Your on the right track Pat. Edited February 11, 2018 by RockinRiviDad (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KQQLCAT Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 So as I am reading both threads on the spacers they seem to be making one set at .325 (slosteve) and the other at .25 (JRivi64)Not sure what to do here. I will measure what I have since mine is a full size car even they list the same bushing.Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RivinitUP Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I met up with a guy tonight that had a 65 Riv. I bought an exhaust system off him. we got talking and he dug out his box of parts. I've seen a lot of talk lately about bushings etc. I came across these and were wondering if they were oem or aftermarket. they looked to be in new condition. either way the guy was very cool, we talked for quite a while. he had some neat pieces, some of which I'd never seen before. any idea what this is? The previous owner had quiet a bit of paperwork and documentation with the car, I found this spec sheet with lists of the different riv motors and specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRRivi64 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Pat,Re-reviewed past related threads on these dang bushings and went out to garage to re-measure spacers I had cut up. In my review I saw slosteve eventually had his spacers CUT to 21/64" which is .328". I re-measured my spacers and they came out to .327". My measurement of the difference between the original bushings and new Raybestos bushings (excluding spacer) was "approximately" .25" -laziness must've set in and I just eyeballed difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB401 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) Ok Gents I tried several suppliers and different price ranges when I was replacing the bushings in my "65 Riviera. They all said They will fit, They all would not. So Instead of putting a two-piece bushing in my "Control" arms, this is how I handled it. I removed the bushings and the inner sleeves from the outer sleeves, leaving those still in the control arms. Took a Control Arm, an old inner sleeve, a new inner sleeve (the O.D. is different than from the old one) to a local machine shop. Had the shop make some sets of bushings from Ultra High Density Urethane. Much tougher than the original rubber. They fill the bracket void from side to side. They do stiffen the ride quite a bit, but they are a perfect fit! Without removing the outer sleeve from the control arm! I have spare sets available if anyone is interested..RG Edited November 1, 2014 by BB401 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinRiviDad Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Very very cool. That's gonna firm up the ride nice. If u want more firmness. U can box your trailing arms in before u install them. If u do, pull the urethane before welding. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Buick Riviera Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Guys, what is the total required amount of pairs of these rear control arms bushings per car ? 2 pairs are required for rear lower L&R control arms, 1 pair for rear upper arm (that upper link between axle and frame) In CAARS catalog it is stated 4 pairs are required. Where the 4th is going to ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinRiviDad Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 On August 7, 2016 at 10:59 AM, buick-riviera.pl said: Where the 4th is going to ? Front control arms (1 bushing per side) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Buick Riviera Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 On 15.08.2016 at 9:13 AM, RockinRiviDad said: Front control arms (1 bushing per side) I see, these are different, but that is a complete set for a car.... Thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinRiviDad Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 On 11/1/2014 at 12:19 AM, BB401 said: Ok Gents I tried several suppliers and different price ranges when I was replacing the bushings in my "65 Riviera. They all said They will fit, They all would not. So Instead of putting a two-piece bushing in my "Control" arms, this is how I handled it. I removed the bushings and the inner sleeves from the outer sleeves, leaving those still in the control arms. Took a Control Arm, an old inner sleeve, a new inner sleeve (the O.D. is different than from the old one) to a local machine shop. Had the shop make some sets of bushings from Ultra High Density Urethane. Much tougher than the original rubber. They fill the bracket void from side to side. They do stiffen the ride quite a bit, but they are a perfect fit! Without removing the outer sleeve from the control arm! I have spare sets available if anyone is interested.. RG Old thread, I know. Everything I have read about urethane bushings says that they squeak like crazy. Did u ever install these trailing arms and experience squeaking? Has anyone tried this method? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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