Guest haldee8 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Pictured is my flywheel off of my 233-248 engine.(not exactly sure which year) My question is this normal wear from the starter or do I need to replace/fix ? Next question is the outer gear replaceable? I have very limited knowledge when it comes to flywheels, even less on pre-war vehicles.If this was YOUR flywheel how would you fix it or make it right if needed. It will be going on a total restoration car! I just want to have it done right the first time.So, any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Schramm Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I can tell you what I would do based on the pictures. I would clean up the ground ends and use it. It just looks like some one could not tell the engine was running and kept trying to start it.If the teeth were ground down more than 1/4 of the total length, I would look for a replacement or having it fixed.Just IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLYER15015 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Chris,Many of the Ford guys flip the gear over.You need to be good with a torch and have a friend help you with the process, but the basics are to heat the ring gear all round and hammer off, flip it over, reheat and tap it back on. Keeping the flywheel cool with some ice won't hurt.Check youtube, and I'll bet they will show someone doing it. Watch as many as you can find and do the "consensus".Plan "B" would be to bring it to Denver and let the guys at Bert's Model "A" do it for you.Mike in ColoradoPS; You know that your going to have to replace the gear on the Bendix don't you...... Edited February 21, 2014 by FLYER15015 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobj49f2 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 In the repair manual it says it's a common procedure to flip the gear to get additional life out of the gear. I flipped mine myself. It wasn't hard, just heated the gear all around, once it expanded it came right and before it cooled off I flipped it over and dropped it back on. It's been a while but I think I might have had to apply a little.additional heat to it. I let cool. I worked in a machine shop when I was younger and saw the guy in the shop cool them with water, I didn't think that was a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaw Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 If you just want to replace it, there is a flywheel vendor that travels with Sandy Olsen of Olsen's Gaskets. I am sure Sandy will get you in touch with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
critterpainter Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 When you put the flywheel back on the engine be sure to align the timing marks! The flywheel will bolt on in six different positions but only one will match the timing marks at TDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest haldee8 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Thank you all for your help. I was unsure I could flip gear or not. I am lucky enough to have a friend who suggested to do just that. Only thing is he didn't know for sure if it could be done on a Buick. I really was questioning if it was normal wear also because of an identical flywheel for sale on e-bay had same groove on it. I will try to get after it in the next week or so. I will definitely post back how it goes. If not well, I just might need that vendors contact info! Thank you all, and wish me luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenz38 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I had make my flywheel starter ring new in 2012.The edges from one to the other side are different, the teeth have a little 45° angle in new condition. I would be careful with only flipping the ring. I could imagin that the starter will make rough hard noises if the teeth on the starter side are have sharp 90° angles.M2C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I was very dismayed to see the same "wear" on my flywheel teeth. ('38 Special) Then, using a remote start switch, and with the flywheel cover off, I observed the starter engaging the flywheel. (ground out the coil lead to the distributor, and be sure (very sure) the transmission is in neutral and the car is securely raised on jack stands) Even with that scallop on the front edges of the teeth, the starter pinion travel is more than enough to engage all of the tooth. My opinion now (could very well be wrong), is that it was designed this way.Double and triple check all of your safety items if you want to lie on your back and make the same observation.Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest haldee8 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Now I am wondering what a new gear looks like? Should,I simply clean up my gear and call it good? Anyone out there have a picture of a NEW or un scalloped flywheel? Thanks again for all the help and suggestions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenz38 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Now I am wondering what a new gear looks like? Should,I simply clean up my gear and call it good? Anyone out there have a picture of a NEW or un scalloped flywheel? Thanks again for all the help and suggestions!This I found ,its good describt and the ring on the pics looks like ours:http://www.google.de/imgres?q=flywheel%20ring&client=safari&sa=X&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbnid=PltFm-2G59RwkM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvintagetractorengineer.com%2F2009%2F01%2Freplacing-fitting-tractor-starting-ring-gear%2F&docid=Lqn6s6ePVTknrM&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvintagetractorengineer.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F01%2Fworn-starter-ring.jpg&w=320&h=240&ei=1XYNU46zOojBtQbB_4CgCQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=0&page=2&start=24&ndsp=25&ved=0CKUBEK0DMBg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937-44 Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Thanks for the video Jenz. He certainly makes it look easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest haldee8 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Thank you Jenz, and all, I luckily tracked down a new ring gear. What's even better, is the gentleman who is selling me a new one,is willing and able to help me swap out the gear. Looking forward to learn how to swap out gear from someone who has done thousands of them! Thanks again, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest haldee8 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Thanks again. All your suggestions and info were a great help! Here is a pic of old ring on top of new ring installed on flywheel. I got the new ring gear from Al's ring gear out of Amherst Junction, WI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest haldee8 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Thanks again. All your suggestions and info were a great help! Here is a pic of old ring on top of new ring installed on flywheel. I got the new ring gear from Al's ring gear out of Amherst Junction, WI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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