Henry Magno Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Ugh, why would anyone try to restore this mongrel? A good parts car maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 56 minutes ago, Henry Magno said: Ugh, why would anyone try to restore this mongrel? A good parts car maybe. Good part car would cost 4-5k ))) for any type of 170 sedan. So... Not sure who will buy it good luck ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share Posted July 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Henry Magno said: Ugh, why would anyone try to restore this mongrel? A good parts car maybe. So Henry, I assume it was pieced together from different cars? The fenders look odd and the "roadster" setup not quite right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindberg Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Perhaps it was a 2 doors and roof cut...stay away. Thisone in Germany looks a better opprotunity... https://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/mercedes-benz-v170-cabrio-w136-nur-für-kurze-zeit-aachen/244151018.html?action=parkItem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 8, 2017 Author Share Posted July 8, 2017 Actually, an even better one is this. Restored by a buddy of mine 20 years ago and still in great shape. https://hymanltd.com/vehicles/5883-1938-mercedes-benz-170-v-cabriolet/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Other than a roadster in Arizona and a Cab B at Amelia, no other 500K or 540K cars have been auctioned this year? There are a number of cars listed for sale privately, but I'm not aware of any other sales this year. Have I missed anything?? Maybe as the Monterey and fall auctions are published we will see some transactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 A person in the know told me yesterday there will be 3 at Pebble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 On 7/14/2017 at 5:06 PM, alsancle said: A person in the know told me yesterday there will be 3 at Pebble. Meaning at the concours, or in the auctions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 22 minutes ago, 540K said: Meaning at the concours, or in the auctions? I thought auctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) Tourenwagen and Cab A announced for RM's Monterey sale. The latter has been passed at it's last three auctions, though there was a post-block sale the first time to the current owner. Worldwide will auction a 380 Cab C. Bonham's will auction a 540K Cab B from 1941. Edited July 20, 2017 by 540K (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Can someone explain in detail the tourenwagon, how many were made, ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, edinmass said: Can someone explain in detail the tourenwagon, how many were made, ect. With some exceptions, the tourenwagens had very rectangular bodies with a bobbed backside. Americans and English would call them phaetons or open tourers. They were a little less expensive than most of the other M-B body styles. Melin says: 11 380's, 16 500K's, 12 540K's, plus about 120 of the Grosser, armored and G4 3-axel cars combined. Some had three rows of seats. Of the non-parade, non-armored cars, the tourenwagens were made in very small numbers, but of course not as popular as roadsters or Cab A's. IMO, even though they made them into the war years, they looked like a late-20's - early 30's style. Edited July 19, 2017 by 540K (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 Not fair to compare with what Ed would think of as a phaeton. Much better looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 hour ago, alsancle said: Not fair to compare with what Ed would think of as a phaeton. Much better looking. Isn't that a one-off, though? The auction description says only 4 540K's survive of the 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 Well, I did pick the best looking one. At least one of the 500ks has a setback radiator and look pretty cool. The trunk on the one RM is selling does not help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadster36 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 http://www.prewarcar.com/classifieds/ad224068.html http://www.prewarcar.com/classifieds/ad224069.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 27, 2017 Author Share Posted July 27, 2017 Bonhams has a very late Cab B with a unique dash and the 5 speed. Typical 1980s restoration. Cool car though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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540K Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 The WorldWide 380 looks odd with unpainted hub caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 2 hours ago, 540K said: The WorldWide 380 looks odd with unpainted hub caps. I have never seen a prewar photo of a 380/500/540 with that wheel treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 2 hours ago, alsancle said: I have never seen a prewar photo of a 380/500/540 with that wheel treatment. Painted rims and chrome wires - interesting idea that is just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 3 hours ago, 540K said: Painted rims and chrome wires - interesting idea that is just wrong. It works OK on the Caddy V16, and the Reo Royale had the same stainless spoke option but not on a MB. I'm really starting to appreciate the painted wire, chrome weight cover look on the MB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 On 2/7/2011 at 8:19 PM, alsancle said: All the 500k and 540k bodies had the same mother of perl dash. The precursor 380 had the same instruments but arranged slightly different. A few of the non Sindelfingen (factory) built bodied cars had custom dashes. The interiors on the Sindelfingen built bodies were mostly similar to this. Leather interior with buckets in the front. They adjust forward and back, as well as the angle of the seat. I'll quote myself from 6 years ago. Some of the very late cars had a different arrangement too. This is the Cab B that will be selling at Monterrey in a couple of weeks. Along with the 5 speed, it has a different dash setup and different instruments. I'm wondering if there was a clock in the middle of the dash originally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 On 30/07/2017 at 10:58 AM, alsancle said: I'm wondering if there was a clock in the middle of the dash originally. I suspect it would have been for a Telefunken radio as the opening appears to the correct size for one. I wonder if the clock is mounted on the rearview mirror. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 6, 2017 Author Share Posted August 6, 2017 On the subject of the later cars Sindelfingen produced some varied designs in singles or doubles. I believe this coupe is a one of one. It was in the U.S. for many years, mid-west and then Washington state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 6, 2017 Author Share Posted August 6, 2017 I assume you are talking about Sindelfingen bodies? I would buy both of Melin's books. But to my knowledge there is no correlation between the chassis number and body #. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 6, 2017 Author Share Posted August 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Buickliner said: I want to see Engine - Mercedes Benz 540 with supercharger. How it was indicated Mercedes Benz - 540 S COUPE or something else? Indicated where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STREAMLINER Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 36 minutes ago, alsancle said: I assume you are talking about Sindelfingen bodies? I would buy both of Melin's books. But to my knowledge there is no correlation between the chassis number and body #. This is. I'm looking for a directory that contains all the numbers. How to find it? Give me link on Melin's books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 6, 2017 Author Share Posted August 6, 2017 There is no designation "540S". 380, 500K, & 540K designate the supercharged cars post SS. Also, there is no definitive list of chassis #'s to my knowledge. There are numbers in Melin and Fostick but there are partial lists. You can buy both of Melin's books on Amazon. Search for "Jan Melin Volume 1" and Jan Meiln Volume 2". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 I wish to know what is the progress on this guy any know what happens after auction sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share Posted August 7, 2017 The Cab A is nice. The Special Roadster is a Prahl bodied car which was original a 500k Cab B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share Posted August 7, 2017 Only way to know that is to see the build sheet. The Classic Center will not give you a build sheet unless you can prove you are the owner of the car you are asking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STREAMLINER Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 49 minutes ago, alsancle said: Only way to know that is to see the build sheet. The Classic Center will not give you a build sheet unless you can prove you are the owner of the car you are asking about. This information is not a secret. I found already many MB 540K cars, at auctions that demonstrate this information. How can I find this Mercedes 540K Cabriolet C - ( Chassis/Engine no. 169387 ) now? https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21768/lot/375/ https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/16337/lot/162/ http://www.rmsothebys.com/am15/amelia-island/lots/1935-mercedes-benz-500-540-k-cabriolet-a-by-sindelfingen/1072315 https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23590/lot/121/ https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23425/lot/57/ https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23590/lot/132/ http://www.rmsothebys.com/az16/arizona/lots/1937-mercedes-benz-540-k-special-roadster-by-sindelfingen/1078709 http://www.rmsothebys.com/mo17/monterey/lots/1936-mercedes-benz-500-k-offener-tourenwagen-by-sindelfingen/1704461 http://www.scottgrundfor.com/sold-1938-mercedes-benz-540k-cabriolet-b/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share Posted August 7, 2017 It is not a secret unless you are trying to find information on a car that has not been at a public auction. If the owner or seller of a car has never published the body or order number, then as far as the public is concerned it is secret. MB will not give it to you. In the case of the Cab C in question, the auction company did not include the info you are looking for in their description, which means its not public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share Posted August 7, 2017 I think you will see lots of anomalies in the chassis numbers and body numbers. There is little correlation to year as that is when MB sold the car, not necessarily when the chassis was built. The Red coupe and Special Roadster have long histories in the U.S.A. Back to the 1940s. MB has all the build sheets so they could certainly put a list together of ever chassis if they felt like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STREAMLINER Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 30 minutes ago, alsancle said: I think you will see lots of anomalies in the chassis numbers and body numbers. There is little correlation to year as that is when MB sold the car, not necessarily when the chassis was built. The Red coupe and Special Roadster have long histories in the U.S.A. Back to the 1940s. MB has all the build sheets so they could certainly put a list together of ever chassis if they felt like it. The chassis has always been manufactured before the body for 2 months. In the case of a Special roadster, it is half a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tilomagnet Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 On 6.8.2017 at 2:06 PM, alsancle said: On the subject of the later cars Sindelfingen produced some varied designs in singles or doubles. I believe this coupe is a one of one. It was in the U.S. for many years, mid-west and then Washington state. Cool car. Do you have a photo how it looks today? I wasnt aware that it had survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share Posted August 7, 2017 Here it is 30 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 (edited) Buickliner: I am happy to see someone else compiling information on the 500K and 540K cars. Are you willing to share this information to help prevent fake cars? As you have said the information should be public. Information about real cars still in Eastern Europe and Russia is not very comprehensive. Edited August 7, 2017 by 540K (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 So you have a list by chassis number of almost 600 500K and 540K cars that were in Soviet Union after the war? Where can we see this 1947 list? Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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