LINC400

Not mine, but I met the guy at a local cruise night. He moved into a senior village, and is no longer able to keep the car. He really wants someone to take care of the car. This is the info I have. For Sale by original owner 1979 Mercury Cougar XR-7, silver paint and top, grey cloth interior, most options including gauge package and Barcelona wheels. Rebuilt 351W engine. Very good condition $4995.00 OBO contact Paul S. Cameron 630-279-4776. Car is located in Elk Grove Village, IL. (Chicago suburb)

Just because they have new car doesn't mean to they don't know anything about it. In fact I find it is usually just the opposite, they can tell you every option it has and every modification that has been done. However, I have talked to many owners of antique cars that are absolutely clueless about what they own because all they did was raise their hand at an auction, or hand a restoration shop a blank check.

I used to think this way too, until I bought my Camaro convertible new. It is kind of nice to be able to drive to a show in the daily driver and have it get attention. And also not have to worry about having any mechanical issues like my antique Lincoln currently is. While the Camaro has won a few trophies in its class, I do not get all bent out of shape when it loses to a more deserving actual antique like some people do. I generally am not by my car at a show. I would rather walk around and look at the other cars and talk to people. But some of the most amusing moments at car shows and cruise nights have been when I have been sitting behind my car listening to some of the unbelievably stupid comments clueless people make.

Ok, I have not read through every post, but I have to add some thoughts on things that most definitely do not attract younger members. Older members calling 1970's and later cars "used junk" does not endear them to younger members. I have seen it countless times on this forum, and also heard it many times in person. Not everyone shares your opinion. I may or may not be interested in your prewar car, but at least I don't call it old junk. Clubs such as Packard and some others having their show day on a Thursday or other weekday. Younger members work. We are not all retired and able to attend weekday shows and driving tours. I have had a hard time finding info on shows I know exist this year. Many marque specific websites have not been updated since 2015 or earlier. Good luck getting young people to show up at shows if there is no info on them online. Even the local AACA region had some events with no info other than a date and generic description such as "Wisconsin Driving Tour". I am not going to bother showing up if you cannot be bothered to give an itinerary. Earlier this month I asked a simple question about a specific term for 2 door convertibles. Many members apparently thought they were being humorous or showing off knowledge by listing as many terms for convertible as possible, and how one obscure manufacturer called it a touring, but another manufacturer called it something else. Young people want a simple answer. If there isn't one, just say that. Otherwise you come across looking clueless or like a pompous jerk. Neither one attracts younger people. At that same show I was asked to explain what Twin H-Power was on a Hudson. Try explaining that to someone that does not know what a carburetor or even fuel injection is, and hasn't even seen the movie "Cars". With a few simple questions back and forth, he now understands. He was happy he understood, and I was happy he got it. But based on my 2 door convertible post, I would hate to see what he would have been subjected to if he asked that question here.

We were looking at a 1931 Packard dual cowl phaeton at the time. They asked what a phaeton was, and then asked if there was a special term for 2 door convertible. They are millennials that are not really into cars. I don't think they even know that cars were not made during WWII so that there are pre and postwar cars. So I was trying to give them some info without boring them. If I gave them a term for a 2 door convertible, I think they would be using it to refer to any 2 door convertible whether a 1930 Duesenberg or 2017 Mustang. I told them they were just generally referred to as convertibles without any special term, and the terms phaeton, dual-cowl phaeton, and roadster were used to differentiate between the more unusual types of convertible bodies. It doesn't seem that anyone here could have given them a better answer, at least not before their attention span was long gone.

Well I don't think "Victoria" would be an appropriate term for a regular 2 door convertible. I think of that more like the 1934 Packards that had no quarter windows and a very different more boxy roofline. And I would not call a 2 door a "touring car" either. Besides, I think that they were looking more for a term that not only applied to prewar, but postwar cars as well. I can't see calling a '57 Chevy or new Camaro a Victoria or touring car.

I was at a car show yesterday with some non-car guys and was explaining what a phaeton and dual-cowl phaeton were. They asked me if there was any special term for a regular 2 door convertible. At first I said roadster, but that is a 2 seater. I could not think of any special term for a regular 2 door convertible with back seat other than convertible or cabriolet, which doesn't really specify 2 door with backseat. Is there such a term?

Some of us weren't born yet in 1959, and wouldn't be for quite some time. However, I can still recognize it as a 1959 Chevy.

Wow, that looks even more sparse than I expected. No wonder the Henry Ford is so quick to admit they screwed up.

Interesting. At least they admit they screwed up, and are taking some steps to correct it. Hopefully they will have this more straightened out by next year so that I can start going again.

The event is not close to me, so I do not go every year. But Motor Muster was always one of my favorite events. I was thinking that I haven't been there in a few years, and should go again. Then I read about all the changes. While I wasn't certain that I was going to go this year before, now it is definitely crossed off the list for this year. Seems like whenever there is a good thing going on, someone that thinks they know better has to step in to screw it up. I am hoping that they will rethink some of the changes for next year so I can go again. But it sort of seems like they aren't that concerned about whether the changes will kill off the event. I read somewhere that they make more money on weddings, and want to go more in that direction (yet I still can't see bridezillas saying Greenfield Village is where they have to have their wedding). Still it seems a shame that they can't set aside just 2 weekends a year for what was always a very well attended and enjoyable event. If it wasn't for Motor Muster, Greenfield Village would have been a been there, done that, thing for me years ago. If they keep the event as is with all the new changes, I would be interested in going to the events in 2018 at either Frankenmuth, MI. or at Crossroads village in Flint instead.

Yes, I was thinking of going again this year since I haven't been in a couple of years. But, non-refundable $50 fee if they reject your car is ridiculous. I am going to skip it this year and see what happens.

Wow, that is quite a drastic increase in price. Motor Muster has always been one of my favorite events. Due to it not being close, I cannot get to it every year. But this will have me giving seconds thoughts to going. It almost sounds like they are trying to discourage people from going. Double the price, 2 less people, no more free train ride tickets, you have to be pre-selected for pass thru review, they keep your $50 if your car is not approved... Never a good thing one someone suddenly gets a brilliant idea that ends up killing off a previously nice show.

I wondered that too. She was 80, maybe she forgot where she parked it.

I could use him to wrap my barbeque grill and patio furniture until spring.

The chrome piece between the 2 windows should have a gray or black rubber piece at the top. It looks like your chrome piece is somehow further down inside the door than it should be, and missing the rubber tip. If it is hard plastic, the interior pieces were just painted with regular Ford paints.

No one said they had to be full size.

They have a ton of used clothes, but I have never seen any vintage clothing there.

All the clubs I belong to offer some sort of online payment. So I have no clue what club you belong to that requires a check to be mailed. But they are not the norm, and need to get their act together. As far as a history immersion type thing. I really like it, but it is not so easy. I love when a car has period music playing, but most people complain about it. I would like to get period clothing to go with my car, but that is not easy to find either. Not only does it need to be from or at least look like it is from the era, but it has to fit and look good too. Sizes from back then are not always the same as sizes from today. So I don't like having to buy period clothes online without knowing how it fits. I bought a couple things, and they did not fit right or the color was not how it looked on the computer. Plus for 1970's clothing like what I would need for my car, most of it is polyester. Not something you would want to wear in 80 or 90 degree summer temperatures. And I would love to have an era appropriate setting, but where do you find a 1970's village? But if an event like this was happening within 200 miles or so of me, I would love to go to it.

While I am not a fan of the fake drama take a nice car and make it look goofy shows, I am not a fan of Wayne Carini either. While the cars are nice, and the show doesn't appear to have the fake drama, he seems to have the attitude that if cars are not worth at least high six figures, they are simply not worth collecting and wasting your money on. Also, on the episodes I have seen, he talks about always wanting to buy an X. Yet as soon as he gets it, he flips it.

I have mentioned the comparison in other posts. I have been collecting antiques since I first moved out on my own almost 28 years ago. I started buying antiques because they were way better quality and way cheaper than what I could buy new. Plus I just thought the stuff was way more interesting. Ebay has had both positive and negative effects on antiques. Cheaper more common stuff was discovered to be cheap and common when on any given day you could find 20-30 of an item listed with prices from cheap to ridiculous. However, a rare item could sit in an antique mall for decades with limited exposure and no one with only a casual interest willing to pay the price. On Ebay, I have found pieces that I would have never come across going to antique malls near my house or even in other states. So if a few people have been looking for a hard to find piece, prices can skyrocket on Ebay. As far as antique furniture, yes, prices have fallen for several reasons. Millennials and Gen X are generally not interested. They do not want old stuff that their parents or grandparents had. Everything has to be the latest "in" thing or it is no good. They also have no clue about quality. They buy most things online and just rely on the description. if they don't like it, they just return it. You cannot return antiques. That is also a big turn off because they are usually indecisive, and have to be able to return it if their friends don't like it. None of the ones I work with are hurting for cash either. they would just rather spend it on cell phones, electronics, designer clothes, and travel. People that have been collecting for years are not even buying much furniture. I can maybe find a place for a vase or cocktail shaker, but I do not have any more room in my house for another large piece of furniture, let alone another bedroom set or dining room set. A small table can be used in various places, but how many dining room sets do you need in a house? You can ship a small item for not too much, but who wants to pay shipping for a large desk or bedroom set off Ebay? HGTV and other home shows featured antiques years ago, and that gave antique prices a boost. But now they are generally showing House Hunters or shows where you pick a house, gut it, and fill it with all new stuff. The interiors are almost always the same. Hardwood floors, stainless steel appliances, and granite or quartz countertops, and a center island with stools. Thus eliminating the need for most kitchen and dining room tables, Hoosier cabinets, and buffets and breakfronts. The exception would be shows where they "repurpose antiques". This means you take a nice wood piece, paint it, sand some of the paint off, and then hit it with a hammer or chain giving it "patina". So no one will pay a high price for an expensive piece to do this to it. At least I hope not.

Ok, but Lincolns never came with a 390 so......

I disagree. The 400 is a fine engine. I have had a few Lincolns with the 400, and a few with the 460. The only thing the 460 does is use more gas. It runs a little smoother, but also a lot hotter. But there is no noticeable difference in performance if you have a good running 400. My 400's were running strong with about 140,000 miles when I got rid of them. I have no idea why the 400 gets such a bad rep. I think people just like saying they have the 460. The rest I can agree with.

Designer Series is for the Mark V only. There were only 2 special editions for the Continental. Collector Series and Williamsburg Edition. This car is not either. However, this one does have the Town Car trim and interior upgrade. Town Car was a trim package in these years, not a model.

1 and 2, There are plenty of reasonably priced cars out there. Maybe, not your dream car, maybe not perfect show cars. But you can find a nice driver condition car easily for under $10,000, maybe even under $6,000. 1970's and 1980's luxury cars are nice buys that can be found in this price range. If you are willing to get a 4 door instead of a 2 door hardtop or convertible, you can find plenty of 1940's to 1960's car in this price range too. 3 and 4, Yes, generally people generally collect what they grew up with. But that is not always the case. There are no too many people still around that would remember a 1930's or earlier car new. Yet they are still being collected. 5 and 6, True Also, why do cars have to be modified to be "your style"? Actually most cars I see at cruise nights are modified, not stock. Very boring to see yet another flat black primer car with Chevy 350 and Ford 9" rear end with oversize wheels and flames. IMO, this makes the car less unique as people can do that to anything. My car is bright aqua with an aqua velour interior. Many people think it is custom paint and upholstery. Not only is it the original color, but it is the original paint and interior. Some people have even accused me of lying about this even the I have the factory brochure showing it this way. Another guy I know has a 1971 Buick Riviera. Some people think it has custom bodywork even though it is 100 percent stock because they have never seen anything like it before. So if you want something unique, buy something unique and leave it stock instead of doing all the typical mods that just make it look like all the rest