LINC400

No new cars are ugly. In order to be ugly or beautiful, they must have some sort of styling and character, which they do not. New cars are just bland. As for ugly cars, how about the AMC Matador Barcelona. It's easy to pick out small inexpensive ugly cars, but this was supposed to be a personal luxury coupe. It looks like a Javelin, a Gremlin, and a Pacer had a 3 way, and the offspring was a Baby Huey Barcelona.

1. 2 doors 2. Style 3. Power 4. Comfort 5. Lots of pwer toys to play with 6. It helps if it has one of those impressive labels like Lincoln or Packard. Hard to find on new cars. Actually so are #'s 1 and 2.

Not my car but some of the best comments I have heard from spectators. About a 1956 Cadillac. "Those bullet type things on the front bumper (Dagmars) are for pushing cows out of the way on rural roads because they had fewer highways back then." About a 1936 Cord Winchester "Oh, a Cord. That must be a Honda."

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skyking</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shop Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And then there is that LACK of space for another car in boxes and crates....... </div></div> Susan, are you forgeting the size of the Met.....you can fit it in a draw. </div></div> No need for boxes, crates, or drawers. It is fully restored. You can just buy it and put it on a shelf in the garage.

I remember a new car dealer here attempted to sell new Yugos. Can't remember which one, but a couple years after they stopped selling them, they still had 2 two year old unsold ones on the lot. They finally sold with a buy one get one free deal. I also saved this anti-Yugo flyer some group was distributing at the Chicago Auto Show. They claimed it was unreliable and Communist. I imagine hardly anyone saved theirs, and this is very rare and should be worth money. However, in order to be worth money, someone would have to actually want it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rusty_OToole</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I actually spent about an hour trying to find out when Caddy introduced power windows. First mention I could find was 1949 or 1950. This didn't seem right but I couldn't find any earlier. Don't know about Lincoln either but the 1940 Continental sounds right,I think I saw that somewhere before. I was at pains to point out that those 2 (Packard and Chrysler) may not be the first ever by any make. They were just the first I could pin down. If you really can't live without power windows why not buy a 50s car? They are a much better car than any made previously. In fact a typical American luxury car of the late 50s or 60s is surprisingly competent even by today's standards. Especially if you add a few modern touches like radial tires and disc brakes. </div></div> Exactly my point. I cannot find anything that states who had the first production use of them. I have seen the 1942 Packard for sale with them, but Packard may have had them earlier. I can't find any info on it. Chrysler seems to have them documented for 1941 according to the earlier post. Perhaps Lincoln did have them in 1940, but I have seen nothing to prove that. However they were powered, I am just curious to know which was the first to use a button instead of a crank. Actually I am looking for a 1956 Packard 400.

They reuse the names for several reasons. They are too unimaginative to think up new names. They have trademarked the name and decide to use it on something else. They cannot use any name someone else has trademarked. Over the years, that is a lot of names left unavailabe. And number one. They hope that by using a name that once had an impressive history or huge following, people will flock into the showroom to by the new nameplate that is no comparison to the original car. Think GTO or Impala. Personally I would rather see any name used instead of the current letter and number combos.

I am talking about the cars that go for megabucks. Hudsons, Pierce Arrows, Nashes, etc. are generally ignored at these auctions. And there are cases where if you want a GM Futureliner or Olds F-88 concept, you either pay the price or you don't get it. But with '57 Chevys, muscle cars, etc. It just seems to be a match of "I want it now and I have more money and a bigger mouth." If they really wanted that specific car so badly, they would have done enough research to see how rare or common it was, and wouldn't be paying triple the value. And when they lose, they are immediately bidding on something totally different that has now caught their eye, and they've forgotten about the first one.

One option I can't live without is power windows. I've heard that Packard had the first power windows, and I've seen a new Chrysler ad claiming that they had the first power windows. Now, I've run across a 1942 Packard for sale with power windows (stock, not custom). I don't think I've seen anything earlier than that with them. My thought is maybe Packard had the first hydraulic power windows and maybe Chrysler the first electric? So who holds the claim? Chrysler, Packard, or somebody else entirely?

The televised auctions introduce people to our hobby that never would have been interested or exposed to it otherwise. However, the big auctions cater to flashy loudmouths with too much money and bad taste. Most of the cars that are sold sell for ridiculous amounts because two loudmouths get into a pissing match. If they were actually serious car people, they would take the time to search out the right car for way less money. But they just want it now. I am tired of being nearly run over by golf carts at the auctions, and being treated like I know nothing, and my opinion doesn't matter because I can't write blank checks on a whim. Hopefully the trend will end soon so that the auctions can go back to people seriously interested in cars and parts. Until then I'll hang out in the car corall or swap meet section and avoid the auction building.

I thought I would mention the Metro since it was exactly what you want. Aside from that, it is not posted here. My dad is retired with too much money and spare time, and can post his own for sale ads. I am trying to scrape together money to buy a Packard or Lincoln to replace mine that was rear-ended and totalled last year.

Isn't this topic supposed to be about 4 doors, not people that leave cars sitting instead of restoring them?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shop Rat</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> 3.) A Nash Metro. I fell in love with them after seeing the one that the late Ernie Litteral had. It was salmon and white. </div></div> My father has a 1959 salmon and white Metropolitan convertible for sale.

My list 1. 1956 Packard Carribean Convertible 2. 1949-50 Packard Custom Eight Convertible 3. 1962 Imperial Crown Convertible 4. 1956 Packard 400 5. 1978 Continental Mark V Diamond Jubilee, in Diamond blue with moonroof and 460. 1-3 are the fantasy list. 4 & 5 I am actually looking for. Contact me if you have a reasonably priced one for sale.

I have owned only one four door car, and I will never own another. I hated looking to the side to see a post. I think 2 doors just look better. I rarely have passengers, and when I do, it is usually only one. So I am not going to get a four door so that just in case I have a rear seat passenger once or twice a year, they will have slightly easier access. And I found it extremely inconvenient that when I wanted to put something in the back, I had to open the front door, unlock the rear door, open the rear door, close the rear door, lock the rear door, and then close the front door. In my 2 door, I open the door, and just drop whatever in the back. Contrary to previous comments, most 4 doors were not stretched 2 doors. From the 1950's to 1970's most models (not all, but most) shared the same wheelbase for 2 and 4 doors. And I hate that for the last 25 years, four doors have been shoved down our throats, and 2 doors have basically vanished. My mom wanted a new car in 2006. She hates 4 doors and little cars. She had a 2 door Buick. So we looked at Buick, then Cadillac, Lincoln, Mercury, Chrysler, and Dodge. None of them had a 2 door. She liked the looks of the Mustang, but didn't like sitting in it. Didn't like the Pontiac G6 and the GTO price was ridiculous, and it was still small. She doesn't like foreign cars, and yet her choice was limited to a Toyota Solara, and Chevy Monte Carlo. She didn't like the Toyota, mainly I think because it was foreign. So she bought a Monte Carlo SS and was pissed that she had to drop down from a Buick to a Chevy. Now that is discontinued as well. So I guess if she wanted a new car now, she would be buying a Toyota. So when I buy an old car, I am going to buy something you can't get anymore, a full size 2 door. That being said, the 4 door '57 Chevy looks like a steal from the picture. And a 4 door is the only reasonably priced way to get a '57 Chevy.

9. Two cars just 6 vin #’s apart! 1979 Mrk V Diamond Jubliee clones. 1 is silver blue only 27 made and the other is darker blue only 46 made. VIN nos. listed in the Lincoln paint catalog only. Very rare. There is no such thing as a 1979 Diamond Jubilee. They were for 1978 only. Collectors Series was for 1979 and production is way higher. Especially for the dark blue. 3,900 were made.

This is great, but can you make it a permanent header and also add Lincoln Mark V?

Wanted - 1956 Packard 400 2dr. hardtop. Will pay reasonable price. No basket cases. Prefer close to Chicago, but will travel to neighboring states. Email to Linc400@webtv.net