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That makes three books about Peerless cars. The Development of the Peerless Automobile From 1902 to 1915 by Clarence Faaborg, 1949, 112 pp. The History of the Peerless Automobile Company by Richard Lichtfeld, 2009, 29 pp, softcover. Peerless Automobiles In the Brass Era: 1900-1915 by Alex Cauthen, 2020, 278 pp, hardcover.

I recently discovered that a book by Clarence Faaborg titled The Development of the Peerless Automobile From 1902 to 1915 was printed in 1949. Anybody have a copy?

> Between the Imperial Auto Collections, Las Vegas*; the 2005 Hershey Auction; and ConceptCar.com, someone may know where this unusual '25 Locomobile went. > The first paragraph in my entry 10 posts up, from Stotesbury.com, sort of implies the front end mods were done up in New York. Derham was in Philly and Demarest was in New York. The writer was not too specific...but the fenders, hood & rad shell could have been added by Demarest...or one of a dozen other shops in NY. > Ed, that Cord is really impressive. Given the choice between a '29 Model A Ford Town Car and a Cord Town Car, both rare iron, I guess the Cord would win out for me. Unless my route took me by bread lines, where the occasional turnip or tomato might be hurled my direction. > Ed...you ever get the little postcard I tried to send you? It had a couple of Whites in Montana that looked a little like your 1915 or 1917. * not that they're still in existence

In the fall of 1924, E.T. Stotesbury purchased a 1925 Locomobile Model 48 chassis and had it refitted with a custom town car body and a collapsible roof made by the Derham Body Company (formerly the Derham Carriage Works) on Lancaster Avenue in Rosemont, PA. The Derham brothers designed it so that the car looked like a Phaeton when the top and all of the windows were lowered. Upon delivery, Stotesbury shipped the car to New York, where new fenders, a Rolls Royce style hood, a radiator and custom appointments (including the initial "S" on the radiator) were added. It is likely that this car was used by Eva Stotesbury, as Mr. Stotesbury tended to prefer the Peerless, Chrysler and Buick models for his own cars. It probably was sold in 1928, when Eva obtained a new Rolls Royce as her main vehicle." Photo Sources: John Deming, Jr.; the Hershey Auction 2005; ConceptCarz.com. Additional information provided by the Lower Merion Historical Society, Platinum Classic Motor Cars, the Auto Collections at the Imperial Palace Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas, PopularMechanics.com, ConceptCarz.com, John Yunis, and John Deming, Jr. These are some more things from the excellent Stotesbury website. Edward Stotesbury was a senior partner in J.P. Morgan's firm. Maybe edinmass will remember details of the Locomobile he saw 40 years ago and see how these pictures compare. The photo credits could give us clues as to where the car is now.

......I had to hand type many of the captions -- it took 2 hours -- and may have gotten some wrong. ......It reminds me of a wealthy old boy who could afford anything and had a faux R-R built based on something else. Mr. Edward Stotesbury, who had the huge mansion built near Philadelphia, Whitemarsh Hall. He did have a 1925 Locomobile: (from the Stotesbury site, described as a 1925 Locomobile Model 48 Convertible Sedan) (I knew I had seen that somewhere. The stotesbury.com site goes into some detail of the various incarnations of the car) "In 2004, Clark Rittersbach of Platinum Classic Motorcars in East Rochester, NY completed a painstaking restoration of the original 1925 Stotesbury Locomobile. Various attributes were reconstructed in the spirit of the original Stotesbury style. The restored car weighed 5,330 lbs., was 142 inches long and had a 525 cubic inch, 6 cylinder steam engine that would produce 95 HP at 2,200 RPM."

Hi Al, Tried to go to the coachbuid.com site, but part of it's shut down for maintenance. You may have already read this -- but Jacques-Leretrait.blogspot.com has a couple of pics of Demarest coachwork -- most I have never seen. I'll try to forward a save-and-paste of their listing. If that doesn't work, I'll try to individually send some. a. something about Ostruk, failed paste b. ATD logo - 1860 - 1918 / 1918 - 1930 - Demarest 1 - PANHARD - LEVASSOR 6cyl - 40 HP - 1905 ...Demarest 2 - Westinghouse Half Limousine - 1907 Demarest 3 - MERCEDES MODEL 50 - 1911 Demarest 4 - PACKARD SIX VICTORIA PHAETON - 1912 ... Demarest 5 - PACKARD 3/35 CHAUFFEUR COUPE - 1920 Demarest 6 Roadster Locomobile 1924 Demarest 7 - Locomobile -48 - 1925 Demarest 8 - Skull-Simplex - 1915 Demarest 9 - Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost Sedan Convertible - 1921

I didn't know Locomobile 48's were built as late as 1925. Enjoyed reading about Demarest and Peerless and their conjoined buildings which became the General Motors headquarters. I've seen a picture of a '23 Peerless Roadster with Demarest coachwork mentioned above.

... This is a Packard ad about plating -- I'm guessing from about 1926 --but does show a colorful paint scheme. I'll call the tints spruce needle and salmon, but I'd be fine driving it.

1959 Thunderbird sedan in N. Idaho on Facebook Marketplace. At $5,000, looks a little too-good-to-be-true. No idea if still F/S or condition. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/139672671678092/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A416047fa-82eb-4a80-9a21-011510a551ba

I'm sorry to distract from the good story about this years Rose Bowl Parade. Neat to see the two Pierce-Arrows! I saw a photo somewhere of the 1st voiturette(car) in the parade, taken about 1901. Probably a Winton or Locomobile. The picture is actually of Mr. Murphy IN the Rose Bowl Parade....which I saw with my Dad in 1959, 1960, or 1961. We went to the assembly area before dawn, where everybody queued up to get their place in line in the parade. I don't know how my Father spotted him. To me, it was just some guy on a horse, not going anywhere...but my Dad served in the Italian Campaign in World War II(as Audie Murphy did), followed by a year or two in German Occupation Forces in Bavaria, not to mention reading Stars & Stripes and newspapers...and he recognized him somehow. Then my Dad held me up really high and said: "I want you to remember this man's name.", and I shook hands with the man on horseback. Of course, it was years before I figured out who Audie Murphy was, but I remembered my Dad's request about the man's name. I was 6 or 7 back then.

I went in 1960 or 1961. Don't remember any of the floats, but my Father introduced me to a man {sitting on a Palomino} named Audie Murphy.

...Gee. You say you're A.S.E. Certified?

I didn't know if Bentleys sported Weymann Bodies -- but found this old picture entitled "1930 Bentley 4 1/2 Liter Supercharged | Weymann Fabric Body":

A. A. B. Absolutely Amazing Bentley from the 2021 Holiday Motor Excursion in southern California. Don't know the year/model/engine. To me it looks like a newly re-done Weymann Body. This is from the 29Chandler's excellent 2021 Holiday Motor Excursion thread in General Discussion.

Great pictures 29 Chandler! So much quality iron! We were living in the Pasadena area when the Excursion started....too bad my Dad didn't know about it....or we would have gone. Did Logan and Harvey Kellen make it there this year with their red Peerless like they did in 2019? One of two known surviving 1915 Peerless cars in the world.

Hello Brad, Interesting car you have. Do you know which model it is? Here are the FIVE it could be: 6-60.....62 HP.....199 Cu. In. 6-80.....63 HP.....230 Cu. In. 6-90.....80 HP.....289 Cu. In. 6-72.....80 HP.....289 Cu. In. 8-69.....70 HP.....332 Cu. In. Usually the model can be found by looking at the 3" x 5" aluminum plate on the firewall, driver's side. It might read something like "80 360,999" if it were a 1927 Model Six-80. The prices for these models before accessories, tax and delivery ranged from $1,395 to $3,795 in 1927 -- if you didn't order a custom body. You sound more knowledgeable than most people, since you correctly identified a boattail coupe as a Roadster Coupe. Most folks wouldn't know that....but then you are a third-generation Peerless owner and your Dad and Grandad must have shared things about the car with you. I keep track -- or try to keep track -- of all surviving Peerlesses worldwide on a registry I maintain called Known Peerless Automobiles In Existence. KPAIE now has 370 vehicles since a 1912 Model 60-Six was added 3 days ago. As you know, Peerless made the largest ever engine used in a production car from 1912-1914, 825 Cu. In. There were about 108,000 Peerless cars built. There aren't many boattail coupes in the world. They were practically the only carmaker to build them. I think Rickenbacker made a few. There were several firms building boattail roadsters(Hudson, Essex, Stutz, Packard, Duesenberg, Auburn, Franklin, Lincoln, Hispano-Suiza, Talbot, Delahaye, and Rolls-Royce). Please send word here or by PM about the color, model, serial numbers, etc. If you send me your mailing address, I'll send you a 1-pg form to fill out to make it way easier.........then I can add the data to KPAIE. You may have people living nearby who have a similar car. I may know about your car already....or it could be an undiscovered one. I know a chap in Boulder, CO who's currently restoring a 6-90 Roadster Coupe -- one of only two in the world. Have you been able to find much to read on Peerlesses? The best A-Z reference w/ lots of photos is one of the Automobile Quarterly books, VOL 11, No. 1, written about 1973. There is a 32-pp chapter by Maurice Hendry on Peerless in this hardcover book. I have bought a couple of them on E-Bay for about $10.00. A friend of mine just came out with the first hardcover book about Peerless last fall: PEERLESS AUTOMOBILES OF THE BRASS ERA: 1900-1915, 273 pp, by Alex Cauthen. You can still get a copy of it for about $60...only 50 copies have been printed. While the brass Peerless book focuses on the earliest years, an era with very few surviving cars, it's still an important work. There are almost as many 1927 cars known as all of them from 1900-1915 (52 1927 Peerlesses on KPAIE vs. 58 1900-1915 Peerlesses on KPAIE). ---- Jeff Brown * * * Re: sending a message, or PM, I mentioned in my last 2 posts...it turns out you cannot send them until you've reached the 15-post-level. Sorry, didn't know that till today! * * *

I discovered this photo today. I feel like Leif Erikson. If it's what I think it is, it's a real car that matters, all 60 taxable horsepower, 6,000 dollars base price, 140 inches of wheelbase, and 825 cubic inches of it. Something you might trade a condominium in Sun Valley for.

1915 All-Purpose Peerless The great Peerless expert and owner Richard Lichtfeld thought there weren't any of these surviving, but tracking down someone who was in the 2007 Peerless Owners Roster named Harvey, who was listed as having a 1915 Peerless, no model given, I may have found a picture of one. ...possibly a Model 54 or 55...not looking like a 6-48. I feel it's an All-Purpose Six, not an All-Purpose Four, or a 6-48 based on hood length and LHD. Photo from a 2019 HCCA Holiday Motor Excursion Tour. Nice lookin' car! 1915 Peerless Models: Mod. 54........113" w.b. .....$2,000 and up................220.9 cu. in. L-head 4 engine Mod. 55........121" w.b. .....$2,250 and up ................288.6 cu. in. L-head 6 engine Mod. 6-48....137" w.b. ....$4,900-$6,200................578 cu.in. T-head 6 engine >>> most of this data is from pages 224-238 of the new book PEERLESS AUTOMOBILES IN THE BRASS ERA: 1900-1915, Alex Cauthen, 2020, which you have if you are a serious Brass automobile collector or historian >>> sales for 1915 were 3,618 >>> the "All-Purpose" Peerlesses were only built for 1915, replaced completely by the Mod. 56 Peerless V-8 in late 1915 >>> the author points out that this was a departure for Peerless, not having built cars in the $2,000 range since 1903 >>> The Mod. 54 was available in Sedan and Limousine body styles for $3,100 >>> both Mod. 54 and 55 were available in 5-Pass. Touring Car, Roadster, Cabriolet, Sedan and Limousine form, according to Peerless Automobiles

In a Skagit-Snohomish HCCA Region Newsletter, there appear to have been two Peerlesses, a 1912 60-Six Touring Car (from the restorer's rather recently), and a 1913 48-Six Roadster. They were on a Pathfinders National Parks Tour in 2020 ranging from Arizona to Idaho via a number of national parks. They were in the company of some premier motorcars....including examples of Premier, Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost, Locomobile, Mercer, Simplex, Bugatti, and Pierce-Arrow. The Peerless Roadster has been seen all over the country for 50 years, but the 1912 7-P Touring Car is one I am not familiar with. 1912 1913

Hello Brad, Sorry to take awhile to reply. I've been travelling a lot. I had some spare time today...but had to run off somewhere again. I just wrote you a long message, but it got erased. I'll have to write more later... Sorry to hear your Father died. In the mean time --- please send me a PM, that's where you go to someone's profile and click on where it says "Message", and tell me a few details about the Peerless. I keep the registry of all known survivors worldwide, KPAIE* and your car may not be listed. Things like State/Color/Model/Car Serial Number would help. Eager to find out about your car! ----Thanks, Jeff * Known Peerless Automobiles In Existence

Couldn't locate that, but Bob & Doug McKenzie's the 12 Days of Christmas is at the top of my Christmas Hit Parade

From the front: [I think the front was the Macedonian Front, perhaps Salonika, according to someone better able to decipher the abbreviations] Those I recognize are: W.D. = War Department, common marking on British Military vehicles in World War One PEERLESS = one of the greatest workhorses in the transport field during the Great War, the U.K. alone imported 12,000 Peerless Trucks for military use between 1914 and 1918 M.T. COY = Motor Transport Company A.S.C. = Army Service Corps, group formed by the Brits to accomplish ship unloading and quartermaster duties somewhere not in Blighty = "Blighty" originally from the Urdu bilayati (foreign land) used by Indian WWI troops; slang for England; or going back home due to a slight wound

A couple of ideas regarding this thread. This post is a work in progress....driving from Salmon, ID to St. Ignatius and Phillipsburg & back right now. Need to pick up my Brass Peerless Hardcover Book from the guy I lent it to who has a Pierce, Tucker and Voisin..................who DOESN'T have a Pierce, Tucker & Voisin? (After a 580-mile drive -- mostly in 4WD -- I have my Brass Era Peerless book back, as well as having completed some tasks at work.) One on the Collins motor; and two, with the 1924/1925 Locomobile- & Duesenberg-Level motorcars that are worthy of consideration... I'll start with the penultimate model using the Collins Six, the Peerless Six-91, in a gorgeous promo illustration, 4th version of the six-year run this line or family. A little outside the realm of an A Duesenberg or a Series 48 Locomobile, but I include it because this sales brouchure is 1 of the very best examples of Commercial Art the company ever turned out. Note: alsancle felt, in a comment on the same illustration a couple of years ago, that the car below is part of the Circus Wagon School of Design, but I disagree. A Unitarian minister from Beacon Hill, MA may not have gotten a car in those colors, but that wasn't the market. Another car in this 16 page item for sale from Troxel's Auto Lit sports lavender tires...that's over the top. There is one known Peerless like this...around Springfield, MO. It's red and black. First there was the 6-70, introduced at the NY Auto Show in January, 1924.; followed by the 6-72 version March, 1925; 6-90; and 6-91, introduced in 1928. The 6-70 & 6-72 were the same car except for a different rad shell and hood profile. The 6-90 was a way to get a fairly expensive 6-72 in a shorter w.b. and simpler instrument panel for $500 less. The 6-91s were the last with Peerless-built engines, the 289 Superb Six or Collins Six. Regarding the Nickel-Era high-end cars, are we at a comparison-contrast of a '24 Duesenberg, '24 Locomobile 48, '15 Twin-Six Packard, '14 Pierce-Arrow 48, '14 Peerless 48, in theory? That brings back an old memory of a story I read about some old boys who used to tour Scotland with pretty much the cars we're talking about every year....staying at a different castle each night for a week. Alan Clendenen had two Peerlesses and was a participant with his Peerless 48. Alan had a 1904 and 1912 Peerless, which he traded in on a Silver Ghost, last I heard. These 5 models are not of the same year or even close, but are the same idea of motorcar, in my opinion. You cannot point to any of them and see where corners were cut or materials were second-rate. The Model "A" Duesenberg was a new sensation for the sporting man or woman, chariots like a Locomobile "48" were tradition-bound quality not requiring annual updates to sell...

LXXIV. Peerless Ball & Ball Carburetor by Penberthy for sale on e-bay til SUN about 7 PM...about 20 hrs. Starting bid: $425 "shesut-36" seller in PA. Gee....might even be the correct carby for one of those three V-8s a few posts up. I just solved a mystery re: the four Peerless V-8 models over their 13-year span. Heavy emphasis was put on the dual nature of the Vee-Type-Eight car when introduced in 1916: "Loafing" or "Sporting" Range derived from its Ball & Ball Carburetor. I was curious if this was used through all 13 years, since little mention of the Two Power Range Eight four-barrel carburetor was made after 1921. I looked it up in classiccardatabase.com and they say Ball & Ball '16 to '24, and Stromberg 1925 to 1928 starting with the Model 67.