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What model, body style and horsepower is your Dads car? Is it restored (older, newer and about how many points as to cosmetics?), running and, if so, has it been toured lately or frequently? Where is it located? A couple of pictures would also be nice. Give me (us) that and I'll (we'll) either buy it, find someone to buy it or point you in the right direction. Fair enuff? Balls in your court. Oh, and an asking price would be nice too!!!..lol

I do believe we ALL have TOO MUCH TIME on our hands!!!

OH,WAS THAT YOU??? (who passed "my" Impala? - line actually "borrowed - read stolen" from a Jackie Gleason Honeymooners sketch). Was what he did REALLY that bad? He did wait for ALL the traffic to pass (and I assume for the road to be completely clear). I have to admit to doing similar things on RARE occasions in the past - although I've NEVER driven an Impala. And remember he was going only ONE WAY on the one way street!!!...lol

My weather prediction for November 31st....Lots of SNOW with temperatures near or below zero degrees (Farenheit) all over the country...lol...You don't think so? Well go ahead and prove me wrong!!! Show me the weather report 4 that day!!! LOL

I thought of what you suggested but after reading Brad's description of his Dad's attitude towards life, I resisted mentioning the handicapped parking issue. But I should have, as it is a very legitimite and viable option for our older or physically challenged fellow collectors. And they should feel perfectly fine and entitled with using those options. That's what they're there for. No one whose life quality can be improved by using a handicapped parking permit/cart/scooter, wheelchair or other physical aid should feel anything other than happiness (No SHAME allowed!) that such options currently exist and should make the fullest use of those options. In many cases nowadays, it's true they "DON'T BUILD 'EM LIKE THEY USED TO" but in the case of access to the world for the physically disabled or challenged, they "build 'em" a whole lot better now!!!

Sounds like a good general rule but I'd guess there are variations depending upon what you're driving. For instance...With a Porsche 911's sloping hood you'd probably be almost in the gutter, With most non Ford/ brass era or British (dominion) cars that are right hand drive you'd end up on the sidewalk with that rule!!!lol Although if you used the center line you'd probably be OK....though I guess you really don't need to in the case of a right hand drive car since you can look down out the side of the car (ie through the driver's side window IF THE CAR HAS WINDOWS that is). And in my first car, bought at the 1st ever Carlisle car show (Postwar '74), an original paint '57 Chevy 4 dr. hardtop, which I still own, there is no center line, just the twin "bullets". Also, to be technically correct, this rule depends upon the relationship between the driver's height (or at least the height from the seat of your pants to your eyes) and the height of that center point of the road. It is <span style="font-weight: bold">Very Different</span> for Yao Ming (7'6" basketball player) driving a Porsche versus the little old lady who looks through the steering wheel to drive!!!

I'd think it would be EASILY saleable in the mid to high teens ("friendly price among buddies") with a price in the low to mid twenties attainable with some marketing, effort, trouble and expense. You could try e-bay, Hemmings (gosh have we all forgotten the "Bible"??? I can't remember the last time it was mentioned on this forum) an auction or a swap next year. Perhaps the best place might be the Pierce Arrow Society's newsletter. "Write" me if you need their contact information......Herb

I seem to remember Simone Griffith being about the best part of Death Race. Wonder what ever happened to her??? Hello...google And BTW, it's <span style="font-weight: bold">Mary</span> Woronov, although I do believe she was married. (lol)

There was also a Hercules motorcycle but that was just after the turn of the last century and disappeared before 1910 (though another company whose name is instantly recognizeable is from the same genesis - or at least one part of the well known company had the same founder (Mr X)- and here's the hint - the founders of the other half of the current well known company (Mr Y & Mr Z)considered the 1st man (Mr X - the Hercules M/C founder) to be their sworn enemy and an (idea) thief, though he really wasn't...He just did what most great inventor/innovators have done over the centuries...Take an idea/procedure/item that another developed and improved it. Though I guess, technically, most people would probably say Mr Y & Mr Z took THEIR ORIGINAL ideas and developed them without relying on very many ideas or principles developed by those who preceded them. In fact relying on the (previous) work, principles and ideas developed by others probably held Mr Y & Mr Z back a bit and delayed their world renown breakthrough. OK, enuff with the hints....Who are Mr X, Mr Y & Mr Z??? How good are you guys???

The government <span style="font-weight: bold">REFUNDS</span> your taxes????? <span style="font-weight: bold">It'S A MIRACLE</span>!!! Please tell me how.

Looks like a nice car but probably priced about double what it might bring "between friends". If you really market it (ebay; bring it out to a swap meet, auction etc., it MIGHT bring a bit more. But nice unmolested "little old lady/man" - not 2 be sexist - '60s 4 doors are not in REAL high demand. Now if it was a conv't or had a hemi under the hood, you'd have to beat 'em off with a stick (but then again, if your Aunt Tillie were Paris Hilton, she'd have to beat 'em off with the same stick!!!lol). Looks like a nice car for some young man (or woman!) who's newly interested in old cars and has a moderare pocketbook. Good luck in finding "her" the right home Herb

Of course there <span style="font-weight: bold">SHOULDN'T</span> be a November 31st! Because that would mean we'd all have to wait <span style="font-weight: bold">ONE ADDITIONAL DAY</span> until Hershey 2006!!!

This isn't meant to be an insult but this is the <span style="font-weight: bold">ANTIQUE</span> Automobile Club's website, right? For 15 year old car parts, I'd try the local auto recycler (aka "junkyard") and their "network"

Not to nitpick, but it's a Thomas Fl<span style="font-weight: bold">y</span>er - "52bu<span style="font-weight: bold">y</span>ck72r" (lol)

Congratulations Bill, you win the big cigar. Peugeot was the culprit. I guess it's a good thing that the Olds 442 was a 4 speed and not a zero speed....huh???

Thanks guys...misery loves company after all...I know how to copy & paste, at least, but just didn't do it and all of a sudden, I don't know if it was me clicking on something I wasn't supposed to (probably), but "WHAM", everything was gone. For us guys (AND GALS!!!) who love old stuff, these new fangled komputin' machines is all mystery, smoke 'n mirrors (and one way mirrors at that).

Thanks guys...misery loves company after all...I know how to copy & paste, at least, but just didn't do it and all of a sudden, I don't know if it was me clicking on something I wasn't supposed to (probably), but "WHAM", everything was gone. For us guys (AND GALS!!!) who love old stuff, these new fangled komputin' machines is all mystery, smoke 'n mirrors (and one way mirrors at that).

And my list: 10. Fast Charlie & the Moonbeam Rider (OK, so it's really a motorcycle movie...so sue me!!!) 9. Bullitt 8. American Grafitti 7. The Crowd Roars 6. The Big Wheel...starrring Mickey Rooney as the son of a dead, alcoholic '20s race car driver who takes up racing and partners with his father's old riding mechanic and current (for the time) - race car builder, played by Thomas Mitchell for a shot at Indy in the late '40s 5. LeMans...the Steve McQueen characterization of the epic race...LOVE those early in car camera shots 4. Grand Prix...the James Garner/Eva Marie Saint film about a mid sixties european Grand Prix season 3. Genivieve....too bad it was made in black & white 2. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang...Wish my kids would bring home a 1906-8 Grand Prix Race car and Sally Ann Howe on consecutive days!!! 1. Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines....Great scenes of brass era cars (& a motorcycle!) in & around the combination aerodrome and (Brooklands look-a-like) racetrack Honorable Mentions include Viva Las Vegas..the Elvis Presley/Ann-Margret musical comedy revolving around a '60s Las Vegas sports car race, Vanishing Point, Cannonball Run and the Great Race....wonderful premise but awlful execution...Tony Curtis is NO George Schuster! And Jack Lemmon is a lousy villian!

Hey Terry, Can you tell me where those bushes are that concealed the parts of those early machines? I'd especially be interested in the bushes near where the owners of those very noisy, horse unfriendly Mercers, double chain drive Simplexes, Locomobiles or Alcos would have been taken apart. And especially if they were taken apart by drivers who weren't very good about putting the machines back together again. I would consider it my duty as a good American to "remove" such "litter" in order to beautify America...especially the part of America inside OUR garage!!! And double bonus points to you if you tell me the locations of the bushes where participants in the early Vanderbilt Cup races would've performed such disassembly acts!!! I'd be VERY HAPPY to "help beautify" those areas of Long Island, Atlanta and Santa Monica by removing those rusty car parts that are "blighting" those upscale areas!!!

Twice I've tried to reply to Franks note and TWICE the site has eaten the almost completed (and quite detailed) responses..so I'm fed up...but the gist of what I had to say was...the T is great - I agree, but the topic was TOP 10 engines so there's plenty of room for the T, 911 ( or 901 as it was 1st known... bonus points 4 any of you forumers who know the reason the model # was changed from 901 to 911...) & 8 others. What you said 'bout the T in 1908 terms is quite true, it was PRETTY GOOD - though I might argue with the "pretty advanced design" statement, but if you look at the 901/911 with 1964 eyes, I think, as Tony the Tiger would say...."THEY'RE GREAT" with GREAT power/displacement/weight ratios that very little else that was available in '64 could touch or even come close to and a quite advanced design. And unlike the T, the 911 continued/s to evolve over the next 40+ years (despite probably 5% of the production #s over almost a 10 year longer lifespan - so far - than Henry's venerable T) (after all, weren't T engines manufactured by Ford for a total of 34 years up to 1941 - although with admitedly quite low production #'s after 1927?) In comparison there were MANY, MANY vehicles (probably more than 50%, actually!) available in 1908 with equal or better power than the Ford T (remember these are STOCK T's we're talking about, not "California" or any of the other "modified" versions so popular today) including Thomas, Lozier, Palmer Singer, Simplex, Locomobile, Alco (OK, American Berliet), Darracq, Mercedes, Benz, Panhard, FIAT, Itala, Stevens-Duryea, Pope Hartford, Stanley & White steamers, Packard, Peerless, Pierce, Winton, Rolls, Stoddard Dayton, Arrow (Mercer predecessor), the big Buicks, big Cadillacs and, yes Steve, even the big Olds' plus a hundred more I've left out. And is a virtually "frozen in time" product as or more signifigant than a continually evolving & improving one??? And would ANYONE consider the current generation 911 "pretty long in the tooth" 43 model years after it's initial introduction? BTW, how many other car models have stayed basically the same (still a rear engined boxer 6, still recognizable as a similar looking body style to the original 901/911, etc.) from it's introduction for over 40 years? Certainly not the Corvette, nor the T-Bird. Perhaps the Morgan? Or the little Citroen 2CV (poss.incorrect model #)? Can anybody think of any others? And in summation, the 2 men responsible for (or at least given credit 4 the design of) the two most popular models of automobiles ever were the "builders", or at least the founders and guiding lights of the company's (both of which were named after themselves) that produced these 2 engines...Henry for the "2nd place" (in sales figures) T and Dr. Porsche for the all time sales leader, the VW "Bug"! (though his son is probably just as if not more responsible 4 the 911 as the good Dr.). Ok school's out boys (& girls!). Let's see your homework (see above challenges/questions) tomorrow!

What, no mention of the Porsche boxer 6's (of 911, etc. fame) of the last 40+ years??? Can any engine (other than the Chevy - or I guess you could say the "GM" - small block V-8, of course) match it's continued success in both racing as well as road performance over so long a period??? (I guess the Offy could match the racing pedigree but not the road one, right???) And, correct me if I'm wrong, (and I'm sure y'all will!!!...LOL), but wasn't the smallest displacement stock production Chevy small block V-8 the 265 CID in the '55-'56 Chevrolets (including the Corvette)?

Thanks for the kudos guys! And I don't mean the granola bars either! Actually I'm the son of that "premier Horseless Carriage guy" 'tho we do "share" the same "handle", along with our interest in Edwardian motorcars, among a number of shared collecting interests . Hey....isn't our hobby "THE GREATEST FAMILY ACTIVITY" around? (other than that activity that results in larger families???...LOL) The Lozier actually was owned by one of the "James brothers", but they were the James brothers of New Mexico, not the (Frank & Jesse) James brothers of Missouri who gained a "certain notoriety" in the post civil war west (let's just say the post civil war railroad robber barons looked askance at the Missouri James brother's "Robin Hood efforts" to "redistribute" the railroad's wealth - about the farthest thing from a lawman, other than some "kid" named "Billy", that I can imagine!). The James' of New Mexico owned a ranch, a silver (chloride - hence the name of their town) mine and a small "chain" (1 main and 3 "satellite" locations) of "general" mercantiles (stores to those under 70 who never watched "Little House on the Prarie") but were never lawmen to my knowledge - 'tho I'd love to be PROVEN WRONG about that (izzat a challenge or what, guys???). And hey, I LIKE purple (and even lime green) 'Cudas!!! (they're the Simplexes of their day!!!). But now if we're talkin' '73 Ford Mavericks...then I agree with you!!! And before you Maverick owners send me any nasty e-mails, let me just say that you have met the enemy and he is one of you...that's right, I own a '73 (or is it a '74???) Maverick...so, as a "member of the club", I have the right to poke fun at the Falcon's "cuzzin"! And BTW, my Maverick has about 5600 (that's less than six (6) thousand) original miles and IS for trade (preferred) or sale. And yes, it is a "plane jane" 4 door sedan. OK, enuff for now....though that's only 'bout half the Lozier's story...but, since I HATE to type....it'll have to be enuff for now! Herb

Thanx for the link, brockway. My 1906 Lozier double chain drive 7 passenger touring "lived" in one of the ghost towns featured on the link, Chloride, New Mexico, from 1906 to 1954 when Ben Moser "found" it. I've been told it was the first automobile in southwestern New Mexico. Apparently Ben saw it in LA Calif. in '54 on a movie theatre newsreel about a parade in Truth or Consequences, N.M. - yes, it WAS named for the show! He telephoned (long distance in'54, a VERY BIG DEAL back then) the Truth or Consequences police chief (a good move I'd say - what would you fellow forum readers have done 50+ years ago, pre-internet, to find a car you saw on a newsreel screen for a few seconds that was located hundreds of miles away, virtually in the middle of nowhere?) who directed him to the local Chrysler dealer who had put the car in the parade and was "caretaking" it for the (original) family owners (son of the original owner actually - the original owner had died 5 years previously in '49). I talked to the original owner's son (a very smart guy - he worked on the "Manhattan Project")about 10 years ago before he died and he remembered riding in the Lozier as a young child (about 9 or 10 years old I believe), in the mid '20s. According to him,it was used regularly for about 20 years and then "retired" to an outbuilding (still standing as of 10 years ago - I visited it and Chloride in '95). Ben bought the car (and apparently picked it up the EXACT day and time my folks were getting married - Sat. May 1, 1954! - coincidence or ???), restored it and then sold it to Bill Harrah in the late '50s. By the way, when I visited Chloride in '95, I had dinner with the original owner's 80 year old niece (her homemade chili) who lived there. She said she had to drive (her 4WD AMC Sportabout wagon) 60 miles (approx.) each way into Truth or Consequences in order to shop (even to buy milk or a paper) over an empty 2 lane paved road, which she did regularly a couple of times a week. When I said that must be some undertaking (at her age I thought but did not say), as it had taken me (less than 1/2 her age at that time) well over an hour (1 way) in my 5 liter Mustang conv't rental (and I was hurrying to get there before dark in order to take some photos while it was still light out), she said it "really isn't that bad at all. I can usually do the ROUND TRIP (120 miles) in a little UNDER 2 hours if I don't have A LOT of shopping to do!" Talk about the little old lady from.....Chloride New Mexico - I guess! Again, thanks for the link - it brought back some good memories. Herb

Mark - Any show organizer who would exclude that nice car from any show as "not presentable" is an a**h**e (and that ain't athlete misspelled!). Original paint cars, in my opinion (and many others whose opinions I also value), though not "sleepers" anymore will be even more highly prized in the future. That's been the case with antique toys for decades now (repaint an old toy and you destroy as much as 90% of it's value), with wood furniture over the past couple of decades I'd guess (the Antiques Roadshow "experts" frequently tell the owner's of refinished pieces something like "If you (or someone else) HADN'T stripped the original varnish off that 1740's hutch/table etc. and refinished it so beautifully (sound familiar?) it would be worth $80,000.00 instead of $12-15,000.00") and with old motorcycles for the past few years. Eventually us car guys will catch on and catch up to what collectors in other disciplines discovered and figured out years or decades ago. It's only original once or (perhaps after your noteworthy conservation efforts as to stripping off that red paint to "restore" as much of the original finish as possible) - twice! BTW I bet your friends with the "restored cars" are secretly envious of the "fun combined with lack of worry 'bout scratches stone chips etc." you have with the Stude. Anyway, Mark, Good Luck with it and you don't ever have to feel like a second class citizen with that car. Herb

Ron, love your last idea 'bout the trophy(s) going to the Do Not Judge vehicles! But don't think I'd be brave enough to do it in real life!