olcarherb

Gosh Bob, you're 55???????(or soon to be depending on your birth month)!!! I can remember when you drove on tours with your little girls in the rear seats (tonneau). Guess they're not so little anymore. I attended that nice little prewar meet in Redding Ct. for the first time last September. It was WONDERFUL. Just like I (barely) remember old car meets back in the '60s & early '70s. Over 50 (truly) old cars (all pre - 1943), including about a dozen or so brass era cars (more than attend a typical Hershey I'd venture to guess) coupled with a small (8-10 vendors) but quality (not a header, FI unit or mag wheel in sight!!!) flea market in a very nice, peaceful, beaucolic setting in western Connecticut, less than two hours or so from most anywhere in the metropolitan New York/New Jersey/Connecticut area. Ignore the fashions (though some attendees were wearing the same styles or perhaps even same clothes they were wearing 50 years ago!!!) and modern vehicles in the parking lot and you'd think you were transported back in time about 40-50 years. And one of the best parts was the social aspect - seeing and visiting with all the other old car nuts. All in all a very pleasant way to spend a lazy September morning/early afternoon. I'd highly recommend it to anyone who appreciates truly OLD CARS. And btw, Bob, I do believe that HERSHEY was THE (Premier) Pre1942 Meet on the east coast (and everywhere else too!!!) throughout the '50's & '60's until the AACA allowed the newer iron onto the field in the early '70's. From that point on (in the '70's and thereafter), I do believe your claim for that meet would be true.

What I meant was, where was/is it? Who sponsors it? Etc. Thanks for the info

Hey, ..........Tell us more about this Hershey Auction......Tell me about what I missed. Any brass era cars, parts, memorabilia, motorcycles???? Thanks in advance

Thanks for the notice, but could you give us a little easier hint (or way ) to find the listing for those of us who are computer illiterate and ebay challenged? A "click on this" post would be great. Thanks

You sound like a real nice Big Brother Novaman!!! But I guess I (and a lot of us) probably did the same kind of stuff to my (our) little sister(s) too. Guess that's one of (and probably the biggest) reasons why she'd rarely play with me..........lol. Hey, I wonder if that's how Dale Earnhardt (Sr) got his start??????????......lol

If you want to drive it, there are 2 choices as I see it. (1) Fill 'er up with water (now that it's warm out, or wait til it's gonna stay above freezing), start 'er up and drive it. (A) If it leaks a little, thank your lucky stars, go to your local auto store and buy some Stop Leak (looks looks little metal filings) and add to the radiator as necessary. That should slow down the leaking to a manageable level - even adding a few quarts or even a gallon or so of water two or three times a day is acceptable (and not that big of an inconvenience if you carry 3-8 quart/half gallon/gallon water bottles that you can refill at your convenience) if you're touring/driving occasionally. On one tour (first tour in over 35 yrs. for my car in a HOT, HOT, Hilly local), I must've added 50 -60 one and a half liter (a little less than a half gallon to us Yanks) bottles of water (about 20-25 gallons) over about six days with no problems. ( If it leaks a lot, you can either fix it right or replace it (temporarily) with a modern core in order to use the car. (2) If the car's not driveable but you want to test the radiator out, put the radiator cap on, and a hose into the top radiator pipe, plug up the area around the hose with a rag, towel or some other reasonably water resistant, pliable substance, hold the hose and turn it on and, when water starts to come out the bottom, hold your other hand (or your helper's hand) over the pipe the water is escaping from to block the flow and see what happens. Then see (1) (A) & (.

Sounds Great.....How 'bout posting some pictures??????????? We always like seeing ORIGINAL, Unrestored, Unmolested cars. Try Jim Brodes in Arizona. He knows them well. And I believe Walter Miller (the literature guy) in Syracuse NY also has one. Both are AACA and HCCA members.

Hey, sounds like GREAT Fun. Glad you have the space for it. What is the configuration...........over and under figure 8 or ????????? I always wanted to but one of those tracks, fondly remembered from my days as a preteen 35-40 years, when they were available for almost nothing, except the removal costs, in the '70s and early '80s. I was even offered 1 or 2 but, alas, the storage and space requirements put the kabosh on that. My Dad and I still have our 1/24th scale slot cars, mine was a Nascar style '65 Galaxie Hardtop with a light blue hard plastic body........OK. OK,.I know no class but I was only 8 years old and had a lot to learn about cars (and have done so, I'd say). My Dad's was a blue generic '64-'65 style sports car coupe, by the name of Vendetta, if memory serves me right....I'll check later, vaguely reminiscent of a Ferrari or Cobra coupe...............Hey, I'd love to see and try out your track the next time I'm in the Windy City area. As the former operator of a 4 and later 6 lane Aurora HO road course that sat on top of my basement ping pong table...still have the track pieces and table.......30-40 years ago (I had it up for almost ten years from the time I was 9 (1966) until about my senior year in high school (1975)), I seem to remember it was always a pleasure to test my (well honed) skill (coupled with a fierce homefield advantage..knowing the layout, the best cars etc.) against a visiting driver, or better yet, group of drivers....in slot car racing. It really is, the more the merrier, especially if 1 or 2 of the "drivers" act as "track marshalls" to replace those cars that somehow "go off course". Anyway, if you'd be open to "hosting" a race or three one day or evening, at your convenience of course, please e-mail me (with your phone # if that works for you) at olcarherbNOSPAM@juno.com removing the NOSPAM of course. I'd love to talk to you, on my nickle of course. Thanks for bringing back VERY PLEASANT memories and in advance for your hoped for response...............Herb

I'd say he "invented" the LARGE multinational automotive company...........see GM, Toyota, Nissan, Daimler Chrysler, BMW, Honda, etc now....after all Ford manufactured & sold more than 1/2 the cars sold WORLDWIDE for over 10 years during the teens & early twenties,.....the 5 dollar work day for production workers in a large plant/company, the LARGE SCALE automotive assembly plant and moving production line (Yes I know Oldsmobile - the CDO - was first with an assembly line) but large scale for them was thousands (like maybe 7,8 or 10) per year, which Ford might build in a day or two (with multiple shifts) - think making chocolate candies one by one every few minutes and then flash to Lucy and Ethel on the chocolate candy production line and you can START to appreciate the difference, the first "People's Car" - the T, not the Beetle. And I'm sure many, many more. But it's late, I'm tired & sick (literally and physically) and I'll let some of you "Fix Or Repair Daily" fans (I'm one too - I own 1 & 1/2 Fords) get in on the fun. Ready..........Set...........Go!!!.........................PS I'm no fan of the man as a human being but as a businessman and industrial baron, he had few peers!!! And he did "INVENT" those things as much as Edison did the light bulb or phonograph or Marconi the wireless radio, etc. ie, He headed the team/co./group that came up with those things. And surely the proliferation of autos amongst the masses and the resulting changes to American and worldwide society had a greater impact on humanity than did the predecessors to the ipod and Sirius. Though I will grant you that that little incandessant trumps even my wheels, which I usually think of as my most important and necessary possession - guess I'd rather say "Whoa Nelly" and go inside and flick on the wall switch than drive in the driveway, go inside and light a candle or gas wall sconce.......Whaddya you guys think????????????????.........PPS 'Though I will bet the TV show will have Henry inventing the car or the moving assembly line or ??????????????

Try McMaster Carr They have EVERYTHING and deliver same or next day. My Dad's favorite supplier

Hi - No such thing as cheap and quick. Quick is by airplane but that would probably be $15-25,000. A lot cheaper is probably by boat in a 20 foot (or even cheaper in a shared 40 foot) container or on a drive on drive off ship, if the car drives and starts reliably & easily by unskilled labor (typical longshoreman). In any case I'd guess a minimum of $4-5000, maybe more. Contact John Rettmer in NYC at 917-744-2850. I recommend him highly and he can take care of most of what you need to do reliably and reasonably.. Tell him Herb Singe recommended him

Hi Chris & Bob,..................My Dad & I both think it's a Palmer Singer circa 1909, probably a model 6-60 (6 cylinder - 60 horsepower) flyabout??? 5 passenger touring. The front fenders are the main clue, the same as our 1911 model 4-50. Thomas started making shaft drive cars about 1909, after they won THE Race and subsequent to the production of the 4 cylinder 50 & 60 hp and 6 cylinder 72 hp double chain drive models. Hey Chris, we'll miss you at this Saturday's HCCA NJ Region meeting!.......Herb & Herb

Hello & Welcome to the Garden State - Despite our reputation as the land of toxic waste sites and areas known for their exit # - much of NJ is country - there are cows grazing and corn growing less than a mile from my house (well not today - though the cows might've been out grazing today, it was a record 64 degrees F!) and that's less than 5 miles from interstate 80! YOM license plates hang on your wall. You can use regular tags, with yearly registration renewal and every other year inspection - either free at a state facility or about $75 from an authorized garage for your antique, modern or any car that you use for work, commuting etc. Or, so long as your "antique" is at least 25 years old (1981 or before - God help us but 1981 models can't really be "antiques" can they???) and is used occasionally or for educational purposes or antique car events or other similar pursuits - like 99% of us use our old cars, you can apply for the infamous QQ plates - named for their prefix QQ on the plates. There's a one time $50 registration fee and no inspection requirement. You must "reregister" the vehicle every three years at no cost to yourself except a .39 stamp. You can pickup the application forms at any local Motor Vehicle Commission (formerly the dreaded DMV) office - lately their employees have been really nice (at least to me - and that's a rarity - that people are nice to me that is!- lol) and a pleasure to do business with. But you must send the forms in to the main MVC office in Trenton. Vanity QQ plates are available for an additional charge ($50 - $100 add'l I think, I forget exactly what ours cost). In addition antique motorcycle plates - the Q plates - half the size plate with 1/2 the prefix - and special plates for street rods and, I think, custom cars are also available. Again, welcome and what area of our "fine" state are you relocating to? Perhaps I can recommend a club or local activity or group you'd be interested in, depending upon your area of interest that is!!!

Hey!!! Packard built a V12 in 1965? WOW!!! <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> I'd really LOVE to find one of those!!! <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Maybe there'll be one at Barrett Jackson next year that I can bid on and buy!!! <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I wonder what the Speedchannel announcers will say about the '65 Packard V12??? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Hey Packard Guys - Should I start saving my money now??? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Do you think if one shows up it'll set another "World's Record" like the GM Futureliner or last year's Olds "showcar"? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> So, guys, whaddya think? (he asks as he removes his tongue from his cheek <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Oh, and BTW, the ONLY thing NOT silly 'bout the BJ auctioneers and staff are, unfortunately, their commission checks on the cars that actually do sell <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> (ie, those they find a sucker for!!! <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> )

Brad, Sorry to burst the bubble and all your illusions, though I doubt I really did anything except further validate your own knowledge. You know there's really nothing inherently wrong in bidding on your own car. In fact, many auctioneers will do it for you below a reserve price. But WHAT IS WRONG is stating that an auction is a no reserve sale and then allowing the sellers to basically set a reserve for a 2% fee. And if you think you can trust the people at BJ, or Kruse, or most of their competition (there are a few good ones out there however), then I'm sure you also trust politicians, pedophiles and mass murderers, the only 3 less trustworthy groups of people on the planet! And not necessarily in that order! Oh and btw, do I have a bridge I'm sure you'd be interested in! You know, it's said that it only takes two people to drive the price up at an auction. Well, I'd like to amend that. It only takes one at a Kruse sale. And I guess it doesn't even take one at BJ (only the seller and his/her friends!).

While it's true that all the BJ cars last year were sold on a "No Reserve" basis, what they didn't announce was that car owners (or their shills) could bid on their own cars and, if they were the last ("winning"?) bid (and especially if the owner and his shills were the last 8 or 10 bids), then they would only pay a 2% fee (2% of the last "winning"? bid) to BJ. I'd say that's a pretty good deal for the guy who's trying to sell his $60,000 restorod or whatever for $200K. Either he gets "his money" - $200K less the $16,000 sellers commission - a net $184K or about 3 times what it's worth - or he gets the chance to sell the car whose value is now "SET" at $200K (but that's really only worth $60K) at the next auction., There he can sell it, perhaps even at a "LOSS" for ONLY $175K, now that the car's value has been "SET", and "ONLY" pocket about $161K, about 100 Grand more than it's worth! And all it cost him was $4000 (2% of $200,000)at Barrett Jackson!!! After all, if it brought $200,000 at BJ, it must be worth that, or at least close to that, right?.....NOT!!! The phrase "CAVEAT EMPTOR" (Let the Buyer Beware) should be the motto for ALL bidders at car auctions, ESPECIALLY those at the BJ sale!!! Just something to ponder as you watch the BJ "show" this year...all is not always as it seems.

While it's true that all the BJ cars last year were sold on a "No Reserve" basis, what they didn't announce was that car owners (or their shills) could bid on their own cars and, if they were the last ("winning"?) bid (and especially if the owner and his shills were the last 8 or 10 bids), then they would only pay a 2% fee (2% of the last "winning"? bid) to BJ. I'd say that's a pretty good deal for the guy who's trying to sell his $60,000 restorod or whatever for $200K. Either he gets "his money" - $200K less the $16,000 sellers commission - a net $184K or about 3 times what it's worth - or he gets the chance to sell the car whose value is now "SET" at $200K (but that's really only worth $60K) at the next auction., There he can sell it, perhaps even at a "LOSS" for ONLY $175K, now that the car's value has been "SET", and "ONLY" pocket about $161K, about 100 Grand more than it's worth! And all it cost him was $4000 (2% of $200,000)at Barrett Jackson!!! After all, if it brought $200,000 at BJ, it must be worth that, or at least close to that, right?.....NOT!!! The phrase "CAVEAT EMPTOR" (Let the Buyer Beware) should be the motto for ALL bidders at car auctions, ESPECIALLY those at the BJ sale!!! Just something to ponder as you watch the BJ "show" this year...all is not always as it seems.

Re: Ask yourself what the AACA Palace on the Hill is noted for. I'd say it's known for being the "Hershey Car Museum"!!!

Hey Bob, From my friend John - suggest your friend start with the Henderson Motorcycle, 4207 Hunt (Rear), St Louis, MO, 63110 Telephone 314 535 3818 In Hemmings, they advertise NOS, used, reproduction parts for motor, transmission, and chassis. $2 for list. Also, if you need anything specially made for your project - either machine or hand work or a combination, he can help you out - a good job at a very fair price. Let me know if we can help further. Herb

20 HP? I think not. Perhaps 12-14 HP as, like was stated, it's probably an air cooled twin cylinder. But that's plenty of power to haul that load up most any hill IN LOW GEAR! It's all in the "gearing" my DF Friends! And these highwheelers were "geared" for POWER, such as it was, rather than speed. Top speed was probably south of 30 mph, a good thing too with those solid rubber tires and wagon style wheels!

Thanks John You've got the true DF Spirit! But I'm still not sure of the exact make. Can you do that computer magic with the whole Mitchell thread? I've wanted to comment but couldn't ever see the right half of the postings including the reply buttons......Herb, the computer illiterate olcarcollector with only dialup service

It's a circa 1908-1912 highwheeler (type of car, not the make), though I'm not sure exactly which make.(of course the fact that I can only see the lefy side of the picture, from the baby and dog - left - doesn't help matters). And I'm certainly no highwheeler expert. I prefer my double chain drive cars with a few more cylinders and horsepower (most highwheelers were 2 cyl. - tho some were singles I believe). International (who continue to manufacture trucks to this day) produced about 1/2 of all the highwheelers manufactured, I believe, and continued to produce them later than virtually any other co., through about WW1 (1916 or so I think). Highwheelers were very popular with farmers and (mostly midwest) rural dwellers in the period after 1908 or so through WW1 as they could be maintained by farmers used to maintaining farm equipment and the high, hard rubber tires would go through the muddy dirt roads prevalent throughout the farming communities of the midwest better than the pneumatic tires of most more conventional motorcars of the day. In addition, the wheels were designed like wagon wheels so they would run in the wagon tracks of those dirt country roads. Most of the highwheeler manufacturers just like most of the other automobile and motorcycle manufacturers of the first part of the century were forced out of business or into another product area (like Int'l with trucks) by Henry's low priced T, which by 1914 was reliable (for the era) and 1/2, 1/3 or even 1/4 the price of a highwheeler (or other non luxury autos of the period) and only a little more (usually less than $100 more) than a motorcycle. T's were just as if not more reliable and simpler to maintain than the highwheelers or other more traditional vehicles of the period. And Model T touring cars were much more practical than a motorcycle, and more desireable for the young gentleman owner, especially if he had a sweetheart - there are definite advantages to a back seat over a motorcycle saddle for a young couple, especially a young unmarried couple! .......One last note on highwheelers....the first generation of old car collectors (who started collecting in the 1930s and early '40s generally (and MISTAKENLY) considered highwheelers to be the first motorcars, dating back to or before the turn of the century, rather than the 2nd generation cars from the '08-14 period that they actually are. During this dawn of the car collecting era, highwheelers were some of the most sought after and valuable cars, sometimes attaining the immense value of a few hundred dollars!........lol, at a time when many brass era cars were bringing two figure - that's $10-99 - prices and model A's & T's could be bought for single figure - $1-9 - prices . Ahhhh! The Good Ol Days! Oh yes, highwheelers also have one distinction unmatched by any other type of vehicle at the Hershey Swap Meet. They are the only vehicles permitted to race competitively against another vehicle (must be another highwheeler, of course!) in sanctioned races (inside the Stadium Fri. at 11AM). The racecars are only allowed to "parade around" one at a time , following the highwheeler "races". They let the turtles race but not the rabbits!

Great pictures of REAL CARS, but still no picture of the fake (the "Leslie Special"). Hey, I guess even the "Leslie Special" is an "antique" according to the AACA (over 25 yrs. old, though it is a "modified" vehicle!)

I can't believe I get to "Brag" about good 'Ol New Jersey, and unbelieveably about the NJ Motor Vehicle Commission (formerly the DMV). For "modern" cars - an every two year inspection program that can be done for free by the state, with appointments available at some of the state inspection stations or by hundreds of licensed official inspection garages for about $75.00 (less than $38/yr) with a decent inside windshield inspection sticker that shows month & year clearly and without fading and no more license plate stickers. Large commercial trucks still require yearly (twin - DOT and emissions, typically at 2 different locations for about $75-100 & $68 respectively) inspections and a fairly expensive registration (over $300 for a 22,000 GVW truck yearly). Antique (25 y.o. & older, just like AACA) cars/vehicles can pay a one time $50 fee for an antique limited use registration (known as QQ plates because that's the 2 letter prefix on all the plates - Q on motorcycle/smaller plates, vanity QQ or Q plates are priced higher) with no inspection requirements, except that you have to reregister the vehicle every 3 or so years (by mail), for free (except for a stamp). And during an evening, yes, every office is open 1 evening per week and Sat. mornings too, visit to an MVC office a few weeks ago there were no lines - there were 17 visible employees and only 7 customers present. I was treated courtiously, as any nonmonopoly office would treat a customer they value (it's always nice to know you're valued..lol). Only hitch was they didn't think they knew the fee schedule for different GVW comm'l trucks (they're different for each 1000lb difference in GVW that you register for). I asked them if I was supposed to know THEIR price list! Finally after about 10 minutes on the computer, with 2 reps putting their heads together, they printed out a fee schedule for me. Even free parking across the street and a "help desk" as you walk in to get you started in the right direction! About the only "unenjoyable" thing was forking over the over $300 for the years registration. Oh and I'd tell your mechanic (can one tell a mechanic anything?....lol) to get a new ribbon, new printer (they have these laser things now!) or you'll get a new mechanic. You know the score now - education costs, remember - fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!

Hey Bob, those imported french engineers up in Buffalo in 1905-06-07 started out with a few pieces of metal, some belt and pulley driven machinery and probably a smaller budget (albeit in "1906 dollars" rather than "1966 dollars") than the movie special effects wizards of 40 years ago. And remember, not only were the movie guys "recreating" only a 60 year old car, not unlike doing a 1945 (or 1946 in a few hours - a Happy and Healthy New Year to all!) vehicle nowadays, but they had about 1000 times more automotive technical and engineering know-how available to them. Honestly, I kinda forget exactly what Tony Curtis' ride looked like and couldn't find a relevant site while "surfin'", but, if memory serves me right, it looked too new for the 1908 period, rather more like a late teens english or early teens Mercedes 2 passenger (underslung or at least low slung) touring roadster. But I'll never forget what an '06/'07/'08 Thomas Flyer looks like!