It is definitely a possibility Jim, but probably not on a car that hasn't been monkeyed with recently. A) I'll be in Allentown. Willie has the easiest solution, both to test for and to fix. C) My solution is now looking like the least likely D) That means I have the first round (at least) E) I owe Jim for the last time we hung out, so he is included in my round F) I'm coaching Little League baseball tonight, so dealing with a bunch of eleven year olds has me drinking a Tecate to loosen me up right now Sorry OP. Hijacked!!!