1972 Electra - another oddly equipped

[Guest Shaffer]

Yeah, that is my problem.... out of space. I am suppose to look at and probably purchase a 1987 Ford Country Squire LX wagon tomorrow. It is the top of the line model and LOADED to the MAXIMUM. It is in excellent condition and for only $400, seems like too good of a deal to pass up.

Yeah, that defog and defrost is not that common on the older cars here. Seems like the late 80s more of them had it, as it seemed to have slowly became standard items on all cars, no matter where they were sold. Even our 1985 Buick Regal did not have that option. I have even seen a 1985 Buick Electra without the option. Another car that I know for sure did not have it was my old 1983 Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera LS sedan.

What was the smallest engine that was in the 76' LeSabre? I was thinking it was a 350?

[Guest my3buicks]

Can you believe they actually had a V6 available in a base version?

[Guest Shaffer]

No never.

[Guest Shaffer]

Here is an interesting little 73' Buick Estate Wagon. Options - 3rd seat, A/C, tilt, power driver seat, cornering lights, side moldings, bumper gaurds, bumper strips, AM-FM radio, window frame moldings, wheels, etc. NO - power windows, power locks, cruise, woodgrain, etc. Very nice car to say the least. Interesting that it has the "plastic" steering wheel. Even the Chevrolet Bel-Air 4dr sedan and wagon (entry lever full-size Chevrolet) had switched to "custom cushion" steering wheel by 1973.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Buick-Est...639369952QQrdZ1

If the photos work....

[RSmith]

Another thing I noticed on this wagon was it does not have the power tailgate. We had a '72 Olds Custom Cruiser when I was a kid and it had the manual tailgate. Only the rear window was power. The tailgate was raised and lowered by hand. It was kind of difficult for us kids as I remember. It seemed to me that the power tailgate was alot more common than the manual, at least on the Buick and Oldsmobiles.

[Guest Shaffer]

Yeah, you are right. It has the manual gate. Ironically, the "266 mile" 72' Buick Estate Wagon on E-Bay now- which is an extremely highly optioned car does have the power gate... (unlike the 73' wagon above, this 72' wagon appears to lack the cornering light option, but does have the light monitor option).

http://i16.ebayimg.com/05/i/06/ee/69/43_12.JPG

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I remember my dad telling me that his uncle bought a brand new 1971 Impala Kingswood (Impala wagon) when the "clamshell" wagons first came out in late 1970. His was one of the very first that rolled off of the assembly line. Oddly, it was an extremely high optioned car and it even had the power rear tailgate. Dad said he remembered it was only a few weeks before the tailgate started giving trouble. It was getting stuck under the floor. Finally the dealer repaired it. It was a pretty rarely equipped car. He does not remember details, but he does remember that his uncle went in and told them that he wanted a "new style" 71' Kingswood (Impala) wagon with ALL options. I do not know why he did not go ahead and get a Kingswood Estate (Caprice) wagon. He does remember that it had the power gate, 3rd seat, A/C, power locks, power windows, power seat.... just to name a few. I wish I had that car now.

[Guest my3buicks]

Here is an rare color on a 1972 Centurion - Flame Orange

[Smartin]

nice, Keith...

Here's another rare color combo on a Centurion::: Twilight Turquoise

[Guest my3buicks]

hhmm - reminds me of your old LeSabre : )

[Smartin]

Indeed!

[Guest Shaffer]

Those are both rare and nice colors. I have always liked that Twilight Turquoise color.

Here is that very rare 1973 Chevrolet Impala 4dr sedan again. This car is extremely rare, because it is equipped with factory dual airbags. Note that is has the instrument panel out of a 1972 Oldsmobile full-size. If you notice, there is a paper with the car that explains this in detail.

We discussed this car here before, but it has been awhile and there was not as many photos available then. Looks like the seats have been recovered since then.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/73-Impala...1QQcmdZViewItem

http://images.andale.com/f2/117/108/15959728/1146953806115_3.jpg

http://images.andale.com/f2/117/108/15959728/1148147118932_doc1.jpg

http://images.andale.com/f2/117/108/15959728/1149690440080_19.jpg

http://images.andale.com/f2/117/108/15959728/1149977228629_20.jpg

http://images.andale.com/f2/117/108/15959728/1148075031717_21.jpg

[Guest Shaffer]

Another interesting Chevrolet - 74' Impala wagon - power door locks, A/C, luggage rack, radio, tinted windows and side moldings appear to be the only options. Odd, because typically the 2-seat models lacked the luggage rack. Also note the "non-whitewall" original tires.

I am not sure what that aftermarket apparatus is around the steering wheel, but it appears to be old. This car is pretty amazing, as it has only 14K ACTAUL miles. This has also always been my favorite color on the 74' Chevrolets. Look at the undercarriage - it looks like NEW! Being a Chevrolet wagon, it will probably bring a good price. If it were a Caprice Estate wagon in this condition and was higher optioned, this car would probably go beyond $10K.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-Chev...1QQcmdZViewItem

[Junqueboi]

Wow, interesting car. It has the weird AM/8-track stereo & lamp group. It's hard to believe the buildsheet lasted 14,000 miles under there. I've seen Southgate cars with buildsheets folded up (!) & stuck under the seat springs. Who knows, maybe the future lucky owner will find another one. I'd love to own that car, although to me..it's almost too nice/original to drive.

[Centurion]

Adam and Keith, you guys are killin' me with those Centurion shots. Wow!

[Guest Shaffer]

Ya know, I did not even notice the photo with the build sheet on the axle. That is a very bizarre place for it huh? Also, I did not notice that it had 8-track. Seems like that thing on the steering column has something to do with the towing package?

Yeah, it is a neat old car. I remember back in the late 80s, a neighbor of ours had a car just like this - a 74' Impala wagon, but it was green and it had the 3rd seat.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, interesting car. It has the weird AM/8-track stereo & lamp group. It's hard to believe the buildsheet lasted 14,000 miles under there. I've seen Southgate cars with buildsheets folded up (!) & stuck under the seat springs. Who knows, maybe the future lucky owner will find another one. I'd love to own that car, although to me..it's almost too nice/original to drive. </div></div>

[Guest Shaffer]

I had meant to post this. I know that you like the Oldsmobiles too. Here is a stunning 1973 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight 4dr hdtp.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...S%3A112&id=

It has most all options, but I can tell that it at least lacks cornering lights, bumper gaurds, vinyl top and speed alert (I am thinking it was also available on the Olds?) Interior wise, it has loop carpeting, rather than cut-pile carpeting. There was a 73' Electra 4dr that we discussed awhile back that also had loop carpeting, rather than cut-pile carpets. Was this an independent option on these makes, or was it only available on the Custom and Limited Electra and Regency 98? My 73' Grand Ville has cut-pile carpeting, but it was part of the "Custom" option, so I am thinking it was simply added on the higher end "Ninety-Eights" and "Electras".

There is also a super nice 71' Delta 88 4dr sedan that is pretty low optioned, but it does have A/C, power windows and radio, but that appears to be the only options. On the exterior, again, very low optioned. It appears that the only option is cornering lights. Most odd.

http://www.cruzinautos.com/car2/car2.htm

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...A%3AIT&rd=1

As a side note, here is one I really like.... a 74' Grand Ville convertible. LOADED to the maximum. It appears the only lacking option is auto-climate control A/C. It does have manual A/C however. It has power windows, power locks, cruise, tilt, cornering lights, bumper gaurds, side moldings, bumper strips, guage package, trip odometer, AM-FM w/8-track, litter recepticle, lower door courtesy lights, cut-pile carpeting, power seat, Pontiac wheels, etc. I do not know if it has power trunk release however.

It is a stunning car as well....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...%3ADS%3AMT%3A28

[Guest Tom]

Here is an interesting 64 Lesabre that was at an auction here in the Twin Cities last week. A very original 32,000 mile 4dr hardtop. Unusual in that it was equipped with power steering. factory a/c and the vacuum trunk release, but didn't have power brakes or a clock. Sold for $8,000. Very nice car.

[Guest Shaffer]

That is a very nice car. You are right Tom, that is interestingly equipped.

[Guest Shaffer]

Surprisingly, the stunning 73' Ninety-Eight only went to a bid of $2895. I thought it would go at least to $3500. Oh well. The Grand Ville convertible only went to $4550, which was even more surprising.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had meant to post this. I know that you like the Oldsmobiles too. Here is a stunning 1973 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight 4dr hdtp.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...S%3A112&id=

It has most all options, but I can tell that it at least lacks cornering lights, bumper gaurds, vinyl top and speed alert (I am thinking it was also available on the Olds?) Interior wise, it has loop carpeting, rather than cut-pile carpeting. There was a 73' Electra 4dr that we discussed awhile back that also had loop carpeting, rather than cut-pile carpets. Was this an independent option on these makes, or was it only available on the Custom and Limited Electra and Regency 98? My 73' Grand Ville has cut-pile carpeting, but it was part of the "Custom" option, so I am thinking it was simply added on the higher end "Ninety-Eights" and "Electras".

There is also a super nice 71' Delta 88 4dr sedan that is pretty low optioned, but it does have A/C, power windows and radio, but that appears to be the only options. On the exterior, again, very low optioned. It appears that the only option is cornering lights. Most odd.

http://www.cruzinautos.com/car2/car2.htm

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...A%3AIT&rd=1

As a side note, here is one I really like.... a 74' Grand Ville convertible. LOADED to the maximum. It appears the only lacking option is auto-climate control A/C. It does have manual A/C however. It has power windows, power locks, cruise, tilt, cornering lights, bumper gaurds, side moldings, bumper strips, guage package, trip odometer, AM-FM w/8-track, litter recepticle, lower door courtesy lights, cut-pile carpeting, power seat, Pontiac wheels, etc. I do not know if it has power trunk release however.

It is a stunning car as well....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...%3ADS%3AMT%3A28

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[Guest Shaffer]

Here is something a bit different I thought I would mention. Here is a 1993 Toyota SR5 4WD truck. The "SR5" was the top of the line model and this one is loaded with sunroof, power windows, power door locks, tilt wheel, alloy wheels, cruise. Sunroof and power windows/locks are options on these trucks that are not that often seen, but what is interesting is that this highly optioned truck lacks the A/C option. Most had A/C and lacked power windows and sunroof. It also lacks automatic transmission option, but this is not as unusual as the lack of A/C on the "luxury" model.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/060740070...1QQcmdZViewItem

[RSmith]

I just noticed this 72 Estate Wagon. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-Buic...1QQcmdZViewItem Looks to be very plain - no 3rd seat, power windows, locks, or seats. Also lacks the power tailgate. Could those be the original hub caps? Also, did Buick offer an Electra and LeSabre Estate wagon at that time or were all the full size wagons just called Estate? If so, how are they different? The listing doesn't say if it's an Electra or LeSabre.

[Philippe Racicot]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just noticed this 72 Estate Wagon. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-Buic...1QQcmdZViewItem Looks to be very plain - no 3rd seat, power windows, locks, or seats. Also lacks the power tailgate. Could those be the original hub caps? Also, did Buick offer an Electra and LeSabre Estate wagon at that time or were all the full size wagons just called Estate? If so, how are they different? The listing doesn't say if it's an Electra or LeSabre. </div></div>

Back then, the Estate Wagon shared some of it's trim with the LeSabre and other trim with the Electra but it wasn't part of the LeSabre or Electra series like it was in the eighties. For example, the 1970-74 models, had 4 portholes and some had the same badges and grilles as the Electra did. The 1975-76 models did share their grille and badges with the LeSabre.

The interior trim and the hubcaps were shared with the LeSabre model. The standard trim in the Estate Wagon was the same as in the base LeSabre model while the LeSabre Custom interior trim was available as an option.

The hubcaps on this car are correct for this wagon. They were the standard hubcaps on the LeSabre and they came with body-colored wheels. I currently have a set of these hubcaps on my 75 Electra (which are incorrect for this model) but I'll soon switch to the Buick chrome rims.

Interestingly, this car has very few options, it even misses the clock, but it has the cruise control and tilt steering.

[Guest Shaffer]

That is a very interesting 72' Buick Estate wagon. I have never personally seen one with those wheelcovers before. They must be rare. I am guessing most had the "optional" full wheel covers.

Also, woodgrain was optional on all of them. I wonder if any were optioned with woodgrain and kept the standard "half" wheelcovers?

In addition to the cruise and tilt you mentioned (as well as A/C), looks like it also has AM radio..... exterior wise, it has side moldings, bumper gaurds, bumper impact strips, luggage rack. Nice car to say the least!

[Guest Shaffer]

Here is another I thought I would post, not seen like this very often. Here is a 76' Caprice 4dr sedan, very high optioned.... auto climate control A/C, power windows, power locks, cruise control, tilt, power seat, rear defog, bumper strips, bumper gaurds, side moldings, economy gauge, etc. I cannot tell about the radio. One lacking option is vinyl top, which is odd... most were equipped with that.

Very nice car to say the least, as expected for a 43K mile car.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1976-Chev...1QQcmdZViewItem

[Junqueboi]

Wow, that is strange. I figured it'd have the wire wheel covers too, but no. What a neat car! I believe it has pulse wipers too, judging by the look of the switch. Quite a rare option for a pre'77 Chevrolet.

[Centurion]

Hi Tony,

I received the October, 2006 issue of "Collectible Automobile" yesterday, and you'll want to seek out this issue when it arrives on the newsstand. Among the feature articles is an 18-page color article covering the big Pontiacs of 1971 - 1976. The article includes photos of styling prototypes and many beautiful survivors. It's a "must" for you!

[Guest Shaffer]

Yes and thanks! That sounds great. I look forward to getting a copy of that issue. Is this the same magazine that did a similar story on the 71-76 Chevrolet full-size models you told me about before? I ended up buying that issue and it was very informative. I have it around here somewhere. I think I had mentioned that I wish they would do a similar write-up on the Pontiacs and Buicks. I will definitely keep a look out for it. Thanks again!

[Guest Shaffer]

You have a keen eye.... I never even noticed the wipers, but yeah, it appears it has that too and like you said, extremely rare for a Chevrolet of that vintage. Too bad it was not a "sport sedan" (hardtop) model. But it being the lower priced sedan style makes it even more unique I suppose, but I have always like the 4dr hardtops better on the 75-76 GM full-size cars, as opposed to the 4dr sedans.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, that is strange. I figured it'd have the wire wheel covers too, but no. What a neat car! I believe it has pulse wipers too, judging by the look of the switch. Quite a rare option for a pre'77 Chevrolet. </div></div>

[Guest Shaffer]

Brian - do you know about when this issue is supposed to be out on newsstands?

BTW- while I am here - here is an EXTREMELY RARE optioned 69' Chevrolet Caprice 4dr hardtop sport sedan - LOADED TO THE MAXIMUM!!!!

Quoted from the auction- Pwr Windows, Pwr locks, Pwr Seat, Strato Back Front Seat, Pwr Trunk Opener, Floor Mats Front/Rear, Door Edge Guards, Vinyl Roof (Black), Rear Window Defrost, 4 Season Comfortron AC, PosiTrac 256 ratio, Pwr Disc Brakes, Auxillary Lighting, Cruise Master Speed Control, 335 hp Turbo Jet 427, Turbo Hydramatic, Dual Exhaust, Comfortilt Steering Wheel, Sport Styled Steering Wheel, Pwr Steering, Concealed Headlights, Speed Warning Indicator, Light Monitoring System, Stereo Tape System, AM-FM Stereo pushbutton radio, Bumper Guards Front/Rear.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...mMakeTrack=true

Looks to me like the ONLY and I mean ONLY option is lacks are the fenderskirts.

[Philippe Racicot]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Brian - do you know about when this issue is supposed to be out on newsstands?

BTW- while I am here - here is an EXTREMELY RARE optioned 69' Chevrolet Caprice 4dr hardtop sport sedan - LOADED TO THE MAXIMUM!!!!

Quoted from the auction- Pwr Windows, Pwr locks, Pwr Seat, Strato Back Front Seat, Pwr Trunk Opener, Floor Mats Front/Rear, Door Edge Guards, Vinyl Roof (Black), Rear Window Defrost, 4 Season Comfortron AC, PosiTrac 256 ratio, Pwr Disc Brakes, Auxillary Lighting, Cruise Master Speed Control, 335 hp Turbo Jet 427, Turbo Hydramatic, Dual Exhaust, Comfortilt Steering Wheel, Sport Styled Steering Wheel, Pwr Steering, Concealed Headlights, Speed Warning Indicator, Light Monitoring System, Stereo Tape System, AM-FM Stereo pushbutton radio, Bumper Guards Front/Rear.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...mMakeTrack=true

Looks to me like the ONLY and I mean ONLY option is lacks are the fenderskirts. </div></div>

That's a nice Caprice! It's strange that some options that were installed in this Chevy were not available in Buicks!

I wish that full size Buicks could have been ordered with this nice steering wheel too... This car was ordered exactly like I would have liked it, except for two things, the 335 HP (only) 427 and the 2.56 ratio rear end!

[Guest Shaffer]

Hey Brian... I never did see an issue of this.... do you know if "back issues" are available? Thanks!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi Tony,

I received the October, 2006 issue of "Collectible Automobile" yesterday, and you'll want to seek out this issue when it arrives on the newsstand. Among the feature articles is an 18-page color article covering the big Pontiacs of 1971 - 1976. The article includes photos of styling prototypes and many beautiful survivors. It's a "must" for you! </div></div>

[Guest Shaffer]

Yeah- sorry for the late reply. It is nice.... looks like $6600 was all it could muster. Here is another amazing Caprice (1969) with low actual mile and in nearly new condition-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...834319&rd=1,1

Kinda different from mine too- because it has a 427, bumper gaurds, rear defroster, power trunk release and rally wheels- all options my Caprice lacks, but mine has power windows, power locks, headlight washers and disc brakes- all of which the e-bay Caprice lacks..... Other than that- pretty much optioned the same.... the saga continues..... <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That's a nice Caprice! It's strange that some options that were installed in this Chevy were not available in Buicks!

I wish that full size Buicks could have been ordered with this nice steering wheel too... This car was ordered exactly like I would have liked it, except for two things, the 335 HP (only) 427 and the 2.56 ratio rear end! </div></div>

[Philippe Racicot]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Here is another amazing Caprice (1969) with low actual mile and in nearly new condition-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...834319&rd=1,1

Kinda different from mine too- because it has a 427, bumper gaurds, rear defroster, power trunk release and rally wheels- all options my Caprice lacks, but mine has power windows, power locks, headlight washers and disc brakes- all of which the e-bay Caprice lacks..... Other than that- pretty much optioned the same.... the saga continues..... <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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Tony,

Have you noticed that the one of the documents shown in this auction states that this Caprice has a Strato bench seat? I'm wondering if that's an original document with an error (the car doesn't have the Strato bench, it has a bench seat with a full backrest and a center armrest).

I guess that this document isn't original...

[Centurion]

Tony, here you go:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Back Issues are available for most issues. Call 800.871.2022 or email ccaron@pubint.com for ordering information.

</div></div>

Again, it's the October, 2006 issue that you'll want.

[Guest Shaffer]

Thanks Brian... sent an e-mail. I had actually forgot about it until the other day. I remember I was so anxious to get one and then it slipped my mind.... lol. Thanks again!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tony, here you go:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Back Issues are available for most issues. Call 800.871.2022 or email ccaron@pubint.com for ordering information.

</div></div>

Again, it's the October, 2006 issue that you'll want. </div></div>

[Guest Shaffer]

Philippe - Yeah, I noticed that too. I had actually put that on my original post, but went back and noticed that the seat is like mine- the standard bench seat. Its does seem very strange. All other items listed seem to be legit. I wonder if he had this special made or something and was assuming it had this seat. The same guy also has a 62' Bonneville convertible and someone on the Pontiac forums said this guy seemed shady, because he had a GTO 68' for sale awhile back and had misposted some information or something. Someone had called him and asked him about it and he had a smart comment and rudely hung up. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> Its strange though. At any rate- I would like to have that for a parts car for mine. LOL. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[Tony,

Have you noticed that the one of the documents shown in this auction states that this Caprice has a Strato bench seat? I'm wondering if that's an original document with an error (the car doesn't have the Strato bench, it has a bench seat with a full backrest and a center armrest).

I guess that this document isn't original... </div></div>

[Junqueboi]

Hey guys, been awhile.

First-- I remember that black Caprice way back in '95! I used to go to the University of Alabama (which is in Tuscaloosa) & that same car would be parked over in the engineering dept. every once in awhile. I remember it being pretty much exactly as you see it there, although the paint was a little rougher and it DID NOT HAVE that steering wheel in it -- strange. It had to be the same car though, as it really was loaded.

Second, that gold Caprice -- looks pretty phony. The document does not seem at all correct. Take the radio on the "doc" -- a U69 AM/FM radio -- it's monoraul & therefore the car would NOT have the kick-panel mounted speakers. It would only have those speakers if the car had the underdash 8-track player or the U58 AM/FM stereo. You notice the "sport steering wheel" option also? Car does not have that either.

Okay, see you later.

[Guest Shaffer]

Yes, it has been hasn't it? I have been away for awhile as well. Anyway, that is interesting about the black Caprice sedan you mentioned. I would bet it is the same one.

I also noticed that steering wheel "deal" on the gold 69' you mentioned. My 69' has the exact same steering wheel (see photo below)

and it is the standard Caprice wheel. I think that the sport wheel was a 3-spoke wheel.

The interior seems to be the exact same color as my worn out interior. I would like to have that interior though. As you can see mine is in need of repairs. I need new front seat cover and carpeting. Everything else is good shape, but needs a good detailing. I have since this photo installed a new parking brake pad with the proper chrome trim, as seen in photo below taken more recently.

Some day... some day.... <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

[Guest Shaffer]

Thanks Brian. I have e-mailed at that address and cannot get a response. Strange, I know.

I am anxious to get/read this issue. Know of any other place I could try to get one? Thanks.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tony, here you go:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Back Issues are available for most issues. Call 800.871.2022 or email ccaron@pubint.com for ordering information.

</div></div>

Again, it's the October, 2006 issue that you'll want. </div></div>

[Centurion]

Tony, have you tried calling the telephone number?