Crusty Trucker Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/house-passes-bill-ban-state-limits-on-gas-powered-vehicles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotiveLensPhoto Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Of the multiple sources reporting this, not a single one I found could be bothered to list the bill. So if you want to read it this is the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/1435 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted sweet Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 wont pass the senate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif in Calif Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Old Washington Custom: The party that holds the house passes all sorts of stuff to show their "base" they are trying, knowing full well it won't go anywhere. Both parties do it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 Well it will clearly show where each senate member stands and how you should vote in upcoming elections. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotiveLensPhoto Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 I am no lawyer, etc., but one thing I did NOT see is any language about the states that already have a sunset date on fossil fuel car sales. This aggravates me to the same extent that weed is legal in some states but illegal at the federal level in those states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borough Essex Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 So senators from the party which supports state rights and reducing the power of the federal government will all vote against this bill? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnseeker Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 The problem is state gov'ts are acting in an authoritarian position when enacting these laws/ mandates. They seem wildly unpopular, yet they get rammed through, often without any time for public comment. Much like other laws, some in direct conflict with the constitution. Which the right of the individual has to be clawed back from the state after many years in court and at a great expense to the individual to get their right back. So is the federal gov't in this case trying to protect individual rights by taking power from the states? You have to look at it from all sides. Preventing states from enacting legislation to cut citizens rights or choices seems much different the the federal gov't forcing people to do something or enacting laws that limit their freedom. Not very often have people complained about too much freedom, but they surely complain and feel it when a freedom of choice is taken away. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif in Calif Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 On 9/17/2023 at 6:58 PM, auburnseeker said: Well it will clearly show where each senate member stands and how you should vote in upcoming elections. Many (most) of these never come up for a vote in the Senate. It's up to the leader (in this case Chuck Schumer). Also, if they do come up, it's often sort of a ceremonial vote because it takes 60 votes to pass, so the result is usually known ahead of time. It's easy to vote for or against something when you know your vote won't make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted sweet Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 60 votes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif in Calif Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 On 9/20/2023 at 5:14 PM, ted sweet said: 60 votes? Yes. Regular order in the Senate requires 60 votes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted sweet Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 a roll-call vote, each senator votes “yea” or “nay” as his or her name is called by the clerk, who records the votes on a tally sheet. In most cases a simple majority is required for a measure to pass. In the case of a tie, the vice president may cast the tie-breaking vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Dobbin Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 I thought this sort of thread a was, political and banned. Especially when I couldn't open it. It reads like a rumor mill story to incite a revolt about imaginary legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif in Calif Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 On 9/22/2023 at 5:38 PM, ted sweet said: a roll-call vote, each senator votes “yea” or “nay” as his or her name is called by the clerk, who records the votes on a tally sheet. In most cases a simple majority is required for a measure to pass. In the case of a tie, the vice president may cast the tie-breaking vote. True, but only measures that have passed cloture come to the floor for a vote. Harry Reid got rid of this for judicial appointments but it remains for legislation. "In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds of senators voting to three-fifths of all senators duly chosen and sworn, or 60 of the current 100 senators. Today, filibusters remain a part of Senate practice, although only on legislation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gariepy Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 The auto manufacturers are going to build what sells. ICE sales trends will be impacted due to EV demand. A federal law won’t necessarily save ICE. Long term cost of ownership is going to sway buyers. Just look at fleet and rental car trends. EV trends are going to win that battle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gariepy Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/hertz-evs-cars-electric-vehicles-rental/ “Hertz discovered that electric vehicles are between 50-60% cheaper to maintain than gasoline-powered cars.“ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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