30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 I have a ton of article snippets like this saved on my computer. Why haven't I been sharing these things with everyone publically? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) Someone visited these forums and posted a picture of this poster. I asked him if he could send me pictures of it for research. That board member hasn't been back for a long time so I am not sure if he's still around. This poster has corrected me more times than I care to admit. Just when I think I know something... WHAMO! This is a glimpse at how the old and new models (in regards to body style) were being produced at the same time and also shows how the D series Graham Bodies emerged into the E series (DA, U, DB..). Note the full wood body of the Wayne bus on the bottom left. Never seen one since... This also verifies they were built along side one another Edited March 25, 2023 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) I posted this on another thread so not sure if you guys seen it but I thought you might want to. It's from Parsons collection that Doug scanned and posted on the DBC website. It's dated August 1921 and I believe this is a very early Camper/RV. Please keep your eye out for any early 20s photos of Campers with a DB or GB logo Here's a glimpse at the database I've been working on over the years that shows they were all being made as customers ordered them in any capacity, wheelbase, and engine they wanted. Still a work in progress so disregard things like year and other notes (as they are constantly being updated and revised), but it gives us a better understanding of how they were made at the same time in Detroit. Edited March 25, 2023 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 A fine example of why I'm of the belief they made campers/rv's as per customer requests. Not sure if Graham built the bodies or if they were farmed out (or both) but a very interesting part of the DB history 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 They say this was the last time anyone seen the Lost Dutchman... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 The invoices have some very interesting notes attached to them. I THINK DB and GB would build pretty much anything a customer wanted. Which leads to the statement that no two DBs or GBs are the same. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 For our Mates down under 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, nearchoclatetown said: The invoices have some very interesting notes attached to them. I THINK DB and GB would build pretty much anything a customer wanted. Which leads to the statement that no two DBs or GBs are the same. 100 % agree. I believe some series had some standardization but they never hesitated to change things if a customer wanted it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 The Aussies put a whole new spin on things. BTW, if anyone ever finds an assembly manual for a Truck Builder I want to read a copy. I laid under the club's truck studying how it was cut and put together, would like to read the company's explanation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 I've only seen pictures of the early pickup conversions like in the ad. A few years ago a guy had a NOS slide out pickup bed for a '36 DB, with the manual. I thought about buying a '36 for a minute or two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) Can't find the Graham Brothers tractor right now. Will post it later when I find it. Ever been up Pikes Peak in modern vehicles? I can't imagine what it must have been like in a bus in the 1920s. At 14000 feet you are gasping for air... at least I was. If you go to Dillon CO on I-70 you'll be at the top of the Continental Divide. Edited March 25, 2023 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) If anyone knows John Young of Australia, please let him know about this, he was looking for the info a while back. I posted it on the DBC member discussion section after you log in but he's not seen it. Thought I'd share it here for others in case someone else wants/needs it. Edited March 25, 2023 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) I'm not sure if this is the slide unit used on a Victory or not. Can anyone confirm? If it isn't correct for Victory let me know and I'll delete this post. The article was from a 1927/28 automobile publication Edited March 25, 2023 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) I'll be forwarding this to you Doug. A rare look into a 2000 Series brochure. Note the old Graham Brothers logo For you car guys who may not know why this is so important it's because it's only the second series listed on model charts in the Graham Brothers/Dodge Brothers once Graham exclusively agreed to build for Dodge Brothers only (see 2nd line item: Model 2000 in this chart below). Prior to Dec 1920, Graham were building bodies on any other makers chassis as they built for over 50 other manufacturers (as mentioned previously). The public were continuously writing Automakers of the era to make trucks. This snippet of the brochure should explain how the Graham/Dodge organizations saw a need and simply met it. Edited March 25, 2023 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) As I'm still looking for the GB tractor (or traction as it was sometimes called) I found out that GB also built trailers and were listed as such in a 1920 Power Wagon issue. Prior to the exclusive deal with Dodge Brothers of course Edited March 25, 2023 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) I knew I had it somewhere.... From a January 1920 Chilton Tractor Book I have more on it also but this will give you the idea. Only makes sense they were building tractors, they were farmers afterall.. Edited March 25, 2023 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 Although this isn't the Truck Builder, it is very close to that time frame and you'll notice some similarities in the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 The questions just keep coming on. I had to look it up, but Disteel is a brand of disc wheel. The Speed Truck still used a Torbensen rear end. It sounds like neither the tractor or Speed Truck used a DB engine. Does anyone know if one of these trucks still exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Lawson Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 10 hours ago, 30DodgePanel said: If anyone knows John Young of Australia, please let him know about this, he was looking for the info a while back. I posted it on the DBC member discussion section after you log in but he's not seen it. Thought I'd share it here for others in case someone else wants/needs it. John has sold his Victory 6 Sedan It is still in Western Australia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 Late 20s early 30s Dallas TX Department Store Note the Landau Irons They had a total of 17 Commercial Cars/Trucks in their fleet according to the Ross Roy sales data c.1931 White Linen had a combined total of 66 DB units in their lineup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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30DodgePanel Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 For those who haven't seen this yet. Early slide out/up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 Says 1919 Can anyone confirm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 This one is labeled a 1922 Town Car Brougham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 (edited) I've always been a sucker for the early illustrations even. Note the shape of the shifter knob. Were they actually made like that on some models? Labeled a 1919 Edited March 26, 2023 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minibago Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, 30DodgePanel said: I've always been a sucker for the early illustrations even. Note the shape of the shifter knob. Were they actually made like that on some models? Labeled a 1919 Yes, the 1919 Tourer I have has one, six flats around the centre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minibago Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Thank you for sharing all this fabulous information, it takes a great deal of research skill, time, effort and patience that most folks don’t have. We do enjoy and appreciate your work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 You're welcome and I appreciate your kind words. Just one of the small roles we all play in the grand scheme of things. We all have information that needs to be shared and discussed to find key points that we may have missed. Hoping a pictorial thread like this simply helps our cause and provokes discussion in order to make sure we are continuing to find answers as a collective DB/GB community. Can you imagine stumbling across this next unit in someone's shed or garage today? If we didn't know any better we might think that someone made it into some kind of homemade camping conversion. Photos like this prove the sky was the limit with the special body and conversions whether they were factory or farmed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minibago Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 30 minutes ago, 30DodgePanel said: Says 1919 Can anyone confirm? Rear mounted hand brake. Rear mounted gear lever. ”G” model starter / generator. Correct position for the fuel filler cap. Fan mounted on the block. Priming cups. You could be right with 1919. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 (edited) Sorry guys, I'm not good with cars by memory. It's labeled 1927 and plate verifies this. Guessing this to be a 1928 New Victory Six model? Beautiful Coupe Edited March 26, 2023 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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30DodgePanel Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 Buhmeyer Garage, Mill Street, Richland Center, Wisconsin, ca. 1930. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 The gear shift knob is correct. Some were nickled and others black. I have not found documentation why, i.e. the part number didn't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 John Hessel hardware store Antigo WI no date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 (edited) 9/3/1927 Hales Corners WI Edited March 26, 2023 by 30DodgePanel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30DodgePanel Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 I only post photos of this type of thing for information and not for the glorification of the carnage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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30DodgePanel Posted March 26, 2023 Author Share Posted March 26, 2023 An export to Mūrcheh Khvort Iran 1928 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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