Vintage1923 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) Hello Gentlemen, I am trying to find out the make of a car that my great grandfather owned. From the car plate, I believe that the car was registered in summer of 1923 in France but can't be 100% certain. Any thoughts on what the car could be ? Greatly appreciate it Edited January 21, 2021 by Vintage1923 (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 It is a Delaunay-Belleville. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dictator27 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, nzcarnerd said: It is a Delaunay-Belleville. X2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage1923 Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 Thank you so much Do you have an idea on the model ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flivverking Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 What an awesome looking motor car. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Guitar Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I think it's a Delaunay Belleville P4B. They made some really great cars, especially pre World War One. The first getaway car was a Delaunay Belleville circa 1911, stolen and used by the French anarchist group La Bande a Bonnot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage1923 Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Benoit said: I think it's a Delaunay Belleville P4B. They made some really great cars, especially pre World War One. The first getaway car was a Delaunay Belleville circa 1911, stolen and used by the French anarchist group La Bande a Bonnot. Love the picture ! Do you know what would visually differentiate a P4 to a P4B? Is it purely a question of different coach-builders ? Thank you Edited January 21, 2021 by Vintage1923 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Guitar Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) Sorry, I don't know the difference between P4 and P4B. Attached is a page out of Omnia magazine from January 1st 1924. The photo is of the 25/30CV six cylinder. It looks like the bonnet on the car in your photo is shorter which would make it the 12CV 4 cylinder. The article mentions the 4 cylinder car will do 100kmh and has Perrot brakes on all 4 wheels which is essential for safety at high speed. CV is Cheval Vapeur which is the power rating. Edited January 21, 2021 by Benoit (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanski Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 I don't think there is any significant difference visually. The difference is in the mechanical side (engine, brakes etc.). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage1923 Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 Thank you guys for the replies I have another picture that I would like to share. Would it be another Delaunay Belleville ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Vintage1923 said: Thank you guys for the replies I have another picture that I would like to share. Would it be another Delaunay Belleville ? No idea what it is but it looks to date from pre WW1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Guitar Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 It's not a very clear photo but that second car could be a Delaunay Belleville HB4 or HB6. What was your great grandfather's background? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage1923 Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, hanski said: I don't think there is any significant difference visually. The difference is in the mechanical side (engine, brakes etc.). May I ask the name of the book you took a picture of ? Thank you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage1923 Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 33 minutes ago, Benoit said: It's not a very clear photo but that second car could be a Delaunay Belleville HB4 or HB6. What was your great grandfather's background? He had a glass mirror company at the beginning of the 20th Century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage1923 Posted January 21, 2021 Author Share Posted January 21, 2021 I have another car that I would like to share. I initially believed it to be a Peugeot Type 139 but upon closer inspection, the grille looks to be different and the registration leaves me with more questions. The car registration should point towards a car registered in the first decade of the 20th Century but I am struggling to find confirming information... Any thoughts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanski Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 22 hours ago, Vintage1923 said: May I ask the name of the book you took a picture of ? Thank you ! Delaunay Belleville (1904-1947) by Pierre-Henri, Philippe and Francois Richer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaunay Belleville Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Lovely Pictures! I wondered if someones knows the Delaunay Belleville book by Pierre-Henri, Philippe and Francois Richer for sale. I own a car pictured in this book, but can't find the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaunay Belleville Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 On 1/21/2021 at 11:20 AM, Vintage1923 said: I have another car that I would like to share. I initially believed it to be a Peugeot Type 139 but upon closer inspection, the grille looks to be different and the registration leaves me with more questions. The car registration should point towards a car registered in the first decade of the 20th Century but I am struggling to find confirming information... Any thoughts ? Looks like a ca 1910 Delage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaunay Belleville Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) On 1/20/2021 at 9:48 PM, Vintage1923 said: Hello Gentlemen, I am trying to find out the make of a car that my great grandfather owned. From the car plate, I believe that the car was registered in summer of 1923 in France but can't be 100% certain. Any thoughts on what the car could be ? Greatly appreciate it Can I use the picture to my Facebook group for Delaunay Belleville cars ? https://www.facebook.com/groups/delaunaybelleville?locale=nl_NL Edited May 6, 2021 by Delaunay Belleville (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Just a thought - this from the standpoint of an author - magazine articles and books most of the time are under copyright. If you choose to use something that the author and publisher took the time and expense to publish it is best to get permission . Many are just used to taking what they want off the internet, out of publications etc because they want,like and feel they NEED it. But can you at least give the source credit? This is not a complaint at all but just a request to remind some people that if it weren't for diligent research and then making the effort to see it published you would never know about it. Just don't take things and people for granted. Thanks, Walt 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaunay Belleville Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 46 minutes ago, Walt G said: Just a thought - this from the standpoint of an author - magazine articles and books most of the time are under copyright. If you choose to use something that the author and publisher took the time and expense to publish it is best to get permission . Many are just used to taking what they want off the internet, out of publications etc because they want,like and feel they NEED it. But can you at least give the source credit? This is not a complaint at all but just a request to remind some people that if it weren't for diligent research and then making the effort to see it published you would never know about it. Just don't take things and people for granted. Thanks, Walt Thats why I asked to use the picture of vintage1923 's car. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt G Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 You are asking here, as I stated you need to contact the author, editor or publisher. That is not AACA. That information should be found inside the front cover of the book on the title page. Perhaps ask someone who has the book for that information since you do not. You need to ask the right person and first find out who that person is and their contact information. I hope that makes my statement a bit clearer. Sorry if it didn't read that way, I thought it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaunay Belleville Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Walt G said: You are asking here, as I stated you need to contact the author, editor or publisher. That is not AACA. That information should be found inside the front cover of the book on the title page. Perhaps ask someone who has the book for that information since you do not. You need to ask the right person and first find out who that person is and their contact information. I hope that makes my statement a bit clearer. Sorry if it didn't read that way, I thought it did. That picture of vintage1923 grandfathers car isn't in the book for sure...... so I asked vintage1923, not the AACA and not you. But wait for vintage1923 response. Edited May 6, 2021 by Delaunay Belleville (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaunay Belleville Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) On 1/21/2021 at 9:49 AM, nzcarnerd said: No idea what it is but it looks to date from pre WW1. yes indeed a 4 cylinder Delaunay Belleville Edited May 6, 2021 by Delaunay Belleville (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padgett Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 IANAL (I am not a lawyer) OK it keeps changing (don't ask me about the stifling effect of patents) but in general things before 1926 are in the public domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaunay Belleville Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) On 5/6/2021 at 10:55 PM, padgett said: IANAL (I am not a lawyer) OK it keeps changing (don't ask me about the stifling effect of patents) but in general things before 1926 are in the public domain. I don't understand the fuss about asking using a unpublished picture from the owner of that particular picture. Edited May 14, 2021 by Delaunay Belleville (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintage1923 Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 On 5/14/2021 at 11:04 AM, Delaunay Belleville said: I don't understand the fuss about asking using a unpublished picture from the owner of that particular picture. Sorry for the late reply. I would be happy to share with you more detailed pictures. I sent you a request to join your facebook group. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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