29StudiePrez Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) Could someone with a Parts Book that covers the 1924 Six Model 51 see if the parts book lists the size of the bolts and length for the 3 bolts that hold the base of the starter generator to the side of the engine block? I believe these are course thread? I'm guessing they are 3/8 bolts maybe 1 3/4" - 2" long but not sure how long each one is supposed to be? I'm missing mine and I dont want to guess at it and use the wrong length. And if anyone just has any extra of all three original ones they dont need anymore from a parts car let me know. I'd rather have the original ones. Thanks in advance Edited April 20, 2020 by 29StudiePrez (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian_Heil Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Do you have the tapered collar that go on the top two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Shawn, Your car should have two generator cap screw cones 157238. It should also have three 7/16-14 x 1 -1/2" bolts and three 7/16 lock washers. The locating cones go in the 2 top holes. Dimenstions are shown below in case you can't find them, they can be made easily on a lathe. These are steel. Hugh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29StudiePrez Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 No I dont have those. They are missing along with the bolts. Thanks for letting me know, had no idea I was missing those cones as well. Thanks Hugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29StudiePrez Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Brian_Heil said: Do you have the tapered collar that go on the top two? Brian, No I'm apparently missing those as well. Didn't realize that was what went there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 I am checking for Shawn here with the stuff I have. I have other things going to him for the water pump coupling hardware. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raydurr Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I know that these may vary slightly but may work fine for little cost. These are 7/16" drive axle flange wedges available from NAPA . Price is right if they work. Part # TWD R005737 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) I did not know someone had a wedge available like this. I would also like to know if these work. They are pretty close to my drawing. Not as much cone, but maybe enough. Edited April 22, 2020 by Hubert_25-25 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Wiegand Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 This is interesting. The early Light Sixes (as in my '16 D-45) did not have these locating collars. I had heard about these things before I tore the engine completely down. Also, they are not listed in the 1916 Illustrated Parts Catalog. The car that I have has/had a very high degree of originality and this area of the engine had never been touched. Terry Wiegand South Hutchinson, Kansas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29StudiePrez Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) Hugh, I looked up the listed details on the Napa part. Here are the Napa specifics vs. your drawing specs on the original part. Oh and I think maybe I found one of the original ones? Is this one of them that I'm holding or is this too rounded to be one? Edited April 22, 2020 by 29StudiePrez (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29StudiePrez Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) So I checked on the Napa site and they are $2.99 each and there is a minimum order of 25 before they will sell you any. I'll drive into town tomorrow and see if they have any in stock or if some how I can just get two across the counter Edited April 22, 2020 by 29StudiePrez (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) Shawn, That would be good if you could get 2. The are conical not rounded. I do not know where that cone shaped part came from that you have. The joys of finding all the extra unknown parts. I also received a lot of extra stuff with my car. Thats' why you have a spare 1924 6 cylinder carbutetor that I used to own. No telling how many years it sat in the parts buckets with my 1925 Standard. It takes a while to weed thru. I also find all of the numerous specialty parts that come off to be a real challenge - The ones that are missing on many of these cars - hood pivots. Oldham couplings (connecting to the starter generator). These conical bushings. I have some rings on my water pump shaft that just loosely spin on the shaft and flick oil. I only wonder how many cars were reassembled without these rings. There must have been a change in the thought process of disassembling parts over time. Major assemblies don't seem to have little pieces that get lost anymore. That is progress. Hugh Edited April 22, 2020 by Hubert_25-25 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert_25-25 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, 29StudiePrez said: So I checked on the Napa site and they are $2.99 each and there is a minimum order of 25 before they will sell you any. I'll drive into town tomorrow and see if they have any in stock or if some how I can just get two across the counter Shawn, Apparently there are more sizes of these. There are 4 different 7/16 sizes. The Napa one is M891 or M892. I think the one you want is the M893. I even found some on Ebay just using a part number search. https://vanhorntruckparts.com/drive-flange-wedge-e-5957-m-2528.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjws_r0BRCwARIsAMxfDRi6QBdTBZ0bYwCg3yrkXr0d_5ZIva_FN4JqTRMlM0Nw6fbbtGtVGOIaAvV6EALw_wcB https://www.ebay.com/i/192898663281?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=192898663281&targetid=885639120148&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9027834&poi=&campaignid=9343999179&mkgroupid=103102860388&rlsatarget=pla-885639120148&abcId=1139336&merchantid=8003064&gclid=Cj0KCQjws_r0BRCwARIsAMxfDRgrCpdFLbRXhR-cpjrUJNSVynCbOS300brYkVikrEoUyWeg2b3WaWEaAluREALw_wcB Edited April 22, 2020 by Hubert_25-25 (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieBuick Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Now that's a find, you just need to know what to ask for , good work guys ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibarlaw Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Thanks all.... I told Shawn several days ago that I would make them for him on my lathe. (Spent a good hour doing it). Since I just removed the S/G on my Standard and had them in hand to copy. DONE. I have a box of parts to go to him and thought I would do this for him. But now if he does not need them I will have a spare set. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raydurr Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 These wedges are common to almost all heavy trucks. If I recall the 18500 Eatons from the 1960s-1980s used this 7/16" wedge. Most newer axles went to 5/8" stud. Almost any older, well established heavy truck parts store should have these on hand. All that it needs to do is center the mounting bracket in relation to the bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29StudiePrez Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 59 minutes ago, dibarlaw said: Thanks all.... I told Shawn several days ago that I would make them for him on my lathe. (Spent a good hour doing it). Since I just removed the S/G on my Standard and had them in hand to copy. DONE. I have a box of parts to go to him and thought I would do this for him. But now if he does not need them I will have a spare set. No Larry!! ...lol I'll take the ones you made ... I know what you've done will be spot on identical plus I only need two not 25 ...lol, which is the minimum order to buy any of these, However the discover and above information is good to know for others who later down the road may have the same issue and read this on the forum site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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