Circa 1920 touring car with hardtop

[adam1982]

Found on shorpy.com

[Grimy]

Except for the hubcaps, I'd swear it's late 1920/early 1921 Paige model 6-66 7-p "Lakewood" touring with a so-called California top.  The triangular glass in the windshield, the painted radiator shell, and the acorn headlights are 1921 features, as are the vertical hood louvers.  Note the soft LR tire and the lack of a tire on the spare rim at rear.  The latter indicates to me that this is a dealer promo photograph taken for publication in newspaper New Car issues. 

[keiser31]

I'm gonna guess 1924 Winton.

[Grimy]

Keiser31, you may be right (you usually are!).  The rear wheel spokes, different from the front, are NOT Paige.  And on a second look, the headlights differ somewhat from those on 1920-21 Paiges.

[keiser31]

I was going mostly by the hubcap and I found a similarly topped Winton on Google.

Edited November 16, 2017 by keiser31 (see edit history)

[Grimy]

Perhaps a Winton earlier than 1924.  Paige and most other medium-and-upper-priced cars abandoned acorn headlights in favor of drum headlights for 1922.  The bakelite door handles indicate earlier than 1924 for most but not all.

[Grimy]

Afterthought: California tops (winter wear for touring cars) were practically extinct by 1924.  I think it was about 1925 when the number of closed cars exceeded the number of touring cars produced.

[keiser31]

I think you're right about it being earlier.

Edited November 16, 2017 by keiser31 (see edit history)

[nzcarnerd]

Something similar -  http://theoldmotor.com/?p=18750

[nzcarnerd]

Here is a 1919 Winton. I can't help thinking our mystery car is not big enough to be a Winton. I see in the Standard Catalog that up to 1920 there were two wheelbase lengths - 128" and 138". Maybe this 1919 car is the 138" model and our mystery car is the new 132" model for 1920??

 

[nzcarnerd]

This is supposed to be a factory photo from 1922 - still a much bigger car than the mystery car.  Note also the mystery car has much bigger brakes than any of these Wintons.  

[Spinneyhill]

The original photo and the 1919 Winton posted by nzcarnerd were taken at the same place. In this combined picture the arrows show some of the telltales.

[Spinneyhill]

Here is a 1923 Winton on a post card. They stopped producing cars in 1924,

[Spinneyhill]

This one purports to be 1920 with a Gould top. From The Old Motor May 30 2011.

[keiser31]

They ALL have the same hubcaps.

[Stude17]

4 hours ago, Varun Coutinho said:

Zoom in on the hubcap (hi-res) & it reads "Chalmers"

 

Photos of Chalmers of that era show the front door handle mounted to the front (suicide door) whereas the unknown vehicle shows it mounted to the rear.  I agree with Keiser and others that it is a circa 1920 Winton.

[Varun Coutinho]

On 1/28/2020 at 11:41 AM, Stude17 said:

 

Photos of Chalmers of that era show the front door handle mounted to the front (suicide door) whereas the unknown vehicle shows it mounted to the rear.  I agree with Keiser and others that it is a circa 1920 Winton.

Agree it's a Winton (1922)! 

(comment was for a Chalmers Car pic that was attached)

[30sclassics]

This photo was taken by Christopher Helin in San Francisco.  The top was made by Gillig Company in San Francisco.   This link shows a similar top on a Pierce.

http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/g/gillig/gillig.htm