sebastienbuick Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 beautiful Buick !I had never seen his like, good luck for the restoration and for the restoration of the engine ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper1961 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Ted/Sean! Here's the body plate for my parts car from PA as well. Shipping okay and on route. Looking forward to get it down to Art In Tempe AZ. Sean! Ref our discussion the Buick net, I get, appreciate and understand your points. However I still don't understand that for instance cornering lights Code H1, is rare to find on the bodyplate and on some 64 wagons even luggage rack R2 was coded on the bodyplate, but not on all. Even Cruise control and Super Turbine 400 had a own code H1 and A6 to my knowledge. Mystery times, or perhaps as easy as you explain it. And of course some could be put on much later buy other owners, however still some of this car seems to be quite untouched since they rolled out of the Dealership. Ted! Congratulations with your newly found motivation. Might need to get one of the rare tailgate window wiper/washer. Regarding the thread, haven't checked but it should still be on the Web board on Buick net. Let me also know if there is parts I might can offer you when the time comes. Thanks Joern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jpmooning Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Here is my 1962 with the dual quads…as mentioned above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean1997 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Cornering lights and luggage racks could be installed by the dealer once the car left the factory, so the codes for dealer installed items won't show up on the data plate. In 1964 there were four different schemes used for option codes on the data plates and there is always some natural variation depending on who was stamping the plates that day. 08D STYLE 4635 BODY 57 TRIM 461 PAINT F-F ACC. E6 F5 G5 I6 J1 K6 N2 P3 R2 S7 U7 08D = body build date = August (08) 1963, fourth week (D) 4635 = body style number 4 = Buick 6 = Wildcat/LeSabre Estate Wagon 35 = 4-door estate wagon, 2-seat 57 = sequential body number Trim 461 = Blue Cloth and Vinyl, available on styles 4635, 4645 Paint code F-F = solid Marlin Blue Metallic Accessory (ACC.) option codes: E6 = Rear Seat Speaker F5 = Instrument panel lower roll pad G5 = Tailgate washer/wiper I6 = Soft-Ray Tinted Glass J1 = Power Seat - 6 Way Adjuster K6 = Custom Foamtex Padded Cushions N2 = Air Conditioner P3 = Custom Bright Exterior Moldings and Roof Drip and Door Window Frame Moldings R2 = Luggage Rack S7 = Remote Control Side View Mirror U7 = Power Windows 01C STYLE 4645 BODY 2285 TRIM 433 PAINT K-K ACC. B2 F5 I6 K6 J1 K6 N2 P3 S7 U7 01C = body build date = January (01) 1964, third week (C) 4645 = body style number 4 = Buick 6 = Wildcat/LeSabre Estate Wagon 45 = 4-door estate wagon, 3-seat 2285 = sequential body number Trim 433 = Fawn Vinyl, available on styles 4635, 4645 Paint code K-K = solid Sunburst Yellow Accessory (ACC.) option codes: B2 = Seat Belts-Front Seat, Deluxe (Driver and Passenger) F5 = Instrument panel lower roll pad I6 = Soft-Ray Tinted Glass J1 = Power Seat - 6 Way Adjuster K6 = Custom Foamtex Padded Cushions N2 = Air Conditioner P3 = Custom Bright Exterior Moldings and Roof Drip and Door Window Frame Moldings S7 = Remote Control Side View Mirror U7 = Power Windows 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper1961 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Thanks Sean! Excellent deduction. I buy in on it big time. I will keep you posted as I go along with my Lesabre Wagon. Best regards Joern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted "Wildcat65" Nagel Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share Posted July 12, 2016 Thank you Sean. I noticed a couple things- body # 57 and August '63 build date- that is pretty early! There is a note on the 64 options list regarding seat belts (B2) - my wagon has seat belts, not factory ones though. Joern's parts wagon has B2 factory belt option. There is not enough room on that tag for all the options on my wagon! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper1961 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) Good point. Could be the same with mine! This is good stuff, need more discussion and research. I will ask Art, his Dad worked at Gunther Langer Buick & Cadillac Dealership in LA back the 50S and 60s. Thanks Joern Edited July 12, 2016 by Topper1961 Coerection of text (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted "Wildcat65" Nagel Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share Posted July 12, 2016 Sean- any thoughts on the Mitchell- Bentley on the tag vs ...corp. Ionia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper1961 Posted July 12, 2016 Share Posted July 12, 2016 Some picture from today of the KX car on the way to temporarily storage for a couple of months. Picture of Protect O Plate as well. Seems to have been a Company Car, and I think the Construction Company still exists. Don't know how to decode all the vehicle information on it. Anyone? Thanks Joern 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean1997 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 7 hours ago, Wildcat65 said: Sean- any thoughts on the Mitchell- Bentley on the tag vs ...corp. Ionia? For information about the name see here: http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/m/mitchell_bentley/mitchell_bentley.htmhttp://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/s/smith_a_o/smith_a_o.htm X-368 6K1106134Y L-360 FB 43341 4635-KK-463 X = engine production code KX 368 = engine build date code 6K1106134 = car serial number (see decode here http://www.teambuick.com/forums/showthread.php?25968-Help-decoding-1964-Buick-Lesabre-Station-Wagon&p=101774#post101774) Y = build month = February 1964 L = transmission production code BL (ST400 automatic for 425 V8, Column shift) 360 = transmission build date code (12/27/1963) FB = body built at Flint (not really, probably should not have been stamped, but "natural variation") 43341 = body number (incorrectly stamped, again "natural variation") 4635-KK-463 = style number-paint code-trim code 24-203 3-4-4 6K1106134 24-203 = dealer number (Ballentyne Buick, 300 El Cajon Blvd., El Cajon CA) 3-4-4 = date of delivery (March 4th, 1964) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted "Wildcat65" Nagel Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 From that site: Following the death of Calvin P. Bentley in 1964, the Ionia Mfg. plant was sold to the A.O Smith Corp. and Mitchell-Bentley was reorganized as the Mitchell Corp. The same folks that were responsible for building the fiberglass '64 Wildcat that is now in the LeMay Museum collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted "Wildcat65" Nagel Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 Front brakes Before: After - not assembled yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper1961 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Fantastic Sean! Great information, first car I ever own with a original Protect O Plate, so it is a new experience for me and great learning. Looked up the Construction Company who bought the car new. Seems like they still exists. Can you imagine cruising into a construction site with a brand new Lesabre "Super Wildcat"wagon and a white shiny hard hat. Owner must have felt like King for a day or more! After all we are talking Buick. Didn't find the Dealership yet, I thought Marvin K Brown was the biggest in the whole San Diego area back in those days. Anyone who has some information about Ballantyne Buick in El Cajon California in the 60s? Thanks Joern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper1961 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 59 minutes ago, Wildcat65 said: Front brakes Before: After - not assembled yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper1961 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 (edited) On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Topper1961 said: Fantastic Sean! Great information, first car I ever own with a original Protect O Plate, so it is a new experience for me and great learning. Looked up the Construction Company who bought the car new. Seems like they still exists. Can you imagine cruising into a construction site with a brand new Lesabre "Super Wildcat"wagon and a white shiny hard hat. Owner must have felt like King for a day or more! After all we are talking Buick. Didn't find the Dealership yet, I thought Marvin K Brown was the biggest in the whole San Diego area back in those days. Anyone who has some information about Ballantyne Buick in El Cajon California in the 60s? Thanks Joern Found the Buick dealership in quite many ads in the Town and Country news paper from Alpine California. Their Pdf so I will see if I can post some of the adds later on. Correct name of dealership was Ballantyne Buick & GMC Trucks. Great ads. Thanks Joern Edited July 14, 2016 by Topper1961 Correctingen text (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted "Wildcat65" Nagel Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 This Wagon Talk has inspired me to get into the garage and get mine running. Mission Accomplished! I had her on the highway for the first time in my ownership, maybe since the 80's! I was down to connecting fluid and vacuum lines Saturday night. On the way home, I got the rubber bits, sunday morning it was already very humid out- reminded me of when I lived in Columbia, SC. Heavy dew on everything. I got my plumbing done, put fluids in and gas in the carb. Turned the key and VOOM, it started immediately! Took a little coaxin to get it to run off the gas from the tank, but after a while I was able to drive it out of the garage and I saw a water leak-bad heater core. I bypassed that and went for a ride...changed tires and drove to the house- 20 + minutes on city roads and then a little highway stint. A lovely ride. Smooth engine, shifts perfect, turns, brakes and tracks perfect. 4- note horns work, Electric seat, windows, am/fm, power antenna, a/c - I have not opened it up and it still has a wee bit of R12. I am optimistic... Cheers 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper1961 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Wildcat65 said: This Wagon Talk has inspired me to get into the garage and get mine running. Mission Accomplished! I had her on the highway for the first time in my ownership, maybe since the 80's! I was down to connecting fluid and vacuum lines Saturday night. On the way home, I got the rubber bits, sunday morning it was already very humid out- reminded me of when I lived in Columbia, SC. Heavy dew on everything. I got my plumbing done, put fluids in and gas in the carb. Turned the key and VOOM, it started immediately! Took a little coaxin to get it to run off the gas from the tank, but after a while I was able to drive it out of the garage and I saw a water leak-bad heater core. I bypassed that and went for a ride...changed tires and drove to the house- 20 + minutes on city roads and then a little highway stint. A lovely ride. Smooth engine, shifts perfect, turns, brakes and tracks perfect. 4- note horns work, Electric seat, windows, am/fm, power antenna, a/c - I have not opened it up and it still has a wee bit of R12. I am optimistic... Cheers Fantastic! That's the right Buick Spirit! Lets keep this old great wagon on the road. My 64 Lesabre wagon parts cars will be picked up today and arrive in Tempe AZ on wednesday. Anyone need some parts? I will post and add under buy and sell. Again great work Ted! Joern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper1961 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 On 12.7.2016 at 5:20 PM, Wildcat65 said: Thank you Sean. I noticed a couple things- body # 57 and August '63 build date- that is pretty early! There is a note on the 64 options list regarding seat belts (B2) - my wagon has seat belts, not factory ones though. Joern's parts wagon has B2 factory belt option. There is not enough room on that tag for all the options on my wagon! Ted! Any change for some picture of the Rear Speaker, Code E6 in your wagon? Thanks Joern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buick Bruce Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 On 5/7/2014 at 7:40 PM, Rob McDonald said: Scratch a Buick guy and you'll find a station wagon lover underneath. This one's a beaut. Indeed I bought this Buick shortly after I joined the BCA in 1974. I knew it was rare, and even though it needed a paint job, I thought it was worth the $200 agreed on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buick Bruce Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 On 7/13/2016 at 1:07 PM, Topper1961 said: Didn't find the Dealership yet, I thought Marvin K Brown was the biggest in the whole San Diego area back in those days. Anyone who has some information about Ballantyne Buick in El Cajon California in the 60s? The reason I found this forum thread was from Googling "Ballantyne Buick". I found the license plate frame below, and remembered the name, but was trying to remember where they were located, as I lived in El Cajon in the 60's. Back then, the Marvin K. Brown dealership was only Cadillac. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beemon Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 On 7/13/2016 at 0:08 PM, Wildcat65 said: Front brakes Before: After - not assembled yet I just swapped this system onto my 56 Buick but I could not find the adjustment arm override spring anywhere (the black one on the arm) where did you find yours? How was the fit? It looks smaller than the original one that was on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted "Wildcat65" Nagel Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 I probably have a couple extra ones around I can send. I reused ones that were on originally. They are not stretched out, that my account for the size anomaly. Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caballero2 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) On 8/30/2016 at 11:12 PM, Buick Bruce said: Indeed I bought this Buick shortly after I joined the BCA in 1974. I knew it was rare, and even though it needed a paint job, I thought it was worth the $200 agreed on. I bought this one for $900 plus shipping in 1985. There is a wagon lover alright among most Buick people. Edited September 2, 2016 by Caballero2 (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper1961 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 On Wednesday, August 31, 2016 at 7:33 AM, Buick Bruce said: The reason I found this forum thread was from Googling "Ballantyne Buick". I found the license plate frame below, and remembered the name, but was trying to remember where they were located, as I lived in El Cajon in the 60's. Back then, the Marvin K. Brown dealership was only Cadillac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper1961 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 (edited) Hi Bruce! Location of Ballantyne Buick and GMC Trucks. 300 El Cajon Blvd. Phone number 442-6671 as from an add 25 Feb 1965. Echo and Sun newspaper Alpine. A lot of kool advertising from that time and extreme interested prices. Sean, even decoded the Dealership number from the Protect O Plate. Thanks Joern Edited September 3, 2016 by Topper1961 Correcting and adding text (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper1961 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 On Friday, September 02, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Topper1961 said: Hi Bruce! Location of Ballantyne Buick and GMC Trucks. 300 El Cajon Blvd. Phone number 442-6671 as from an add 25 Feb 1965. Echo and Sun newspaper Alpine. A lot of kool advertising from that time and extreme interested prices. Sean, even decoded the Dealership number from the Protect O Plate. Thanks Joern Bruce! Sent you a PM! Fantastic license plate frame. Thanks for posting it. Joern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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