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Bryan,

I don't think it's one of Ralph's Peerlesses. This is a different phone number and prefix, and the actual car doesn't match any of his which I know about.

----Jeff

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The Automobile Quarterly, VOL 11, NO 1 1973 (brown, hardcover, with Japanese calligraphy on the cover) is a must-have for anyone who is a Peerless owner.

This has a 32-page chapter about Peerless, written mostly by the automotive historian Maurice Hendry.

*** Currently, there are 3 for sale on e-Bay.***

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C. S. Walker from Sheridan, Arkansas tells me that he would like to sell his 1928 Six-80 Sedan. It is Blue w/ Black fenders and was restored by a previous owner in the Strasburg, PA area, including upholstery by Amish craftsmen. Phone: #(870) 917-0181.

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I just received an e-mail about what may be a completely unheard-of Peerless in Sligo, Pennsylvania. Peerless Motor Car Club Member Philippe Mordant tells me that the motorcar is on e-Bay.

It is described as a 1929 Peerless. It is a Burgundy & Black Sedan with an 8-cylinder engine, an external trunk, wire wheels and dual sidemounts. 9 color photos. Listed by National Vehicle Marketing on e-bay until FEB 6th. Buy It Now price of $59,900. I've never heard of or seen this car, and I keep the registry.

Very nice-looking car. A couple of subjective comments:

  • it's not a 1929..............it's a 1930 or 1931
  • it's not just an 8-cylinder......it's a straight eight
  • regretably, no photo of the engine......should be Continental 246.7 c.i.d.
  • no info as to model offered..........it's a Standard Eight (Model A)
  • we're left in the dark as to running condition & history

Sorry to be so enthusiastic, but this is a major find. Besides the e-Bay ad, the contacts for the sellers are: PH: (855) 578-1536. E-mail questions: support@classyauto.com

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Another Peerless is for sale on ebay until FEB 6th (in addition to the straight-eight): a blue 1930 6-81 Sedan mentioned here on the Peerless Forum several times before. It's the one with red wire wheels, air horns on the L.S., and a rear spare. Starting price: $20,000. BIN price: $32,000.

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Someone in NY has a generator which may be for a 1924 Peerless 6 for sale on e-bay now. For sale until 3/28/12. I think the price is $350.00.

Seller bought a lot of used generators, etc. from a shop and says this one has a tag that says"1924 Peerless 6" on it. The owner of the only 1924 Peerless 6-70 in the world, a rancher from Square Butte, MT, sold it last year. Sounds like quite the match-up! If this is off of a 6-70......it's possible it may fit one of the other three models that used the same engine....but there'd still be a small market for this.

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Hello, I am looking for a 1929 Peerless. I want to make a local small museum dedicated to Peerless.

I would like one that looks nice and works but if it does not work and looks nice I can work with that too. It would be located inside an old Peerless auto dealership show room that was open from 1928 to 1929 with a small museum around it of local Peerless items, newspaper clippings, pictures, etc.

Here is the building. I am in the process of opening an antique store and am deciding on locations for this. I would love to add into the design and decoration of the store with a hiistorical reference to Peerless.

http://www.nebraskahistory.org/histpres/nebraska/douglas/DO09-Peerless-Motor-Co.pdf

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you

Dave M

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Dear Dave,

Welcome to the Peerless Forum! Excellent news about your Peerless Dealership and the creation of a Peerless Museum!! I read all of the attached National Registry documentation plus some news clippings of the Omaha Peerless business. Did you know there are two Peerless dealerships still in business? One in Tampa Bay, Florida(Dimmitt Motors) and one in Norway(Bertel & Steen).

Your choice of a 1929 Peerless is interesting. The greatest number of surviving cars is from that year. I'm going to guess that you've read a lot of the Peerless Forum already. Have you seen the photos of the '29 Roadster for sale for $25,000 in Argentina here(please see "Peerless Research Findings" thread, PRF #191)?

----Jeff

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Dave,

I sent you a PM with some ideas about Peerlesses for sale. An older post describes a nice-looking, restored 1929 Peerless 6-81 in Florida("1929 Peerless FS in Florida", 5/18/11).

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Jeff, I wish I could take credit for the National Registry documentation, etc. but I would just be leasing the building to put my antique store in it, it is owned by someone else and they did all of the paperwork which by the way I think they did a great job with the information and documentation. I love history and have been wanting to buy an classic/antique car and also create some type of history museum for a while and all of this just seems to come together with my antique store. I have been in the military for almost 20 years now so going to retire and start my antique store, so lots to do for sure.

Glad to know there are a few surviving dealerships still, thanks for sharing.

The main reason I chose the 1929 as that was the year the Omaha dealership was in business, and there are several newspaper articles from that year so that is mainly why I am looking for that year. I think as I research more and actually go and see some that are available, I could change my mind, all of these old cars are so beautiful and interesting.

I will have to take a look at the roadster pics.

Cheers.

Dave

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Someone in Michigan has a 1927 Peerless 6-60 for sale on ebay until April 12th. Dark Green Sedan with Black fenders. It is impeccably restored. An engineer I know looked at this car a couple of years ago. His comment was: "You could eat off of this car it was in such perfect condition!" The report is someone spent $65,000 in restoration costs on this already-restored 1920s car.

*** update: bids up to $26,100 6:15 PM, 4/11/12.***

This is the car advertised for $65,000 Reserve/$85,000 B.I.N. when it was on ebay last time.

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Saw an interesting green 1927 Peerless 6-80 Sedan on ebay today. For sale untill 4/18/12. $1.00 opening bid, No reserve. Bids up to $10,100 6:00 PM 4/11/12.

Has a greyhound radiator mascot, new front tires, new roof, new running-boards, repainted hood. Runs & drives, lights work. Looks really complete, down to the rear-view mirror w/ clock and a vanity case on r.s. of rear seating area. Halfway decent interior, very clean engine compartment. Garaged since 1952. Located in Pottsville, PA. Regrettably, Jeeves informs me that the warranty has expired*.

NICE-LOOKING ORIGINAL CAR!

*The Peerless warranty was for sixty days.

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The February, 2012 Hemmings Motor News has an ad for a Peerless not known to me. It is a 1927 Model 6-60 in Maine. "...4-dr, needs reconstruction, $8,600." Telephone: (207) 866-3704.

It has been sold.

Ralph

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An extremely nice 1913 Peerless will be for sale at the Auburn Auction (WWG Auctions, I believe). It is the 1913 Model 48-Six Roadster rescued from a mine in California by helicopter 50 years ago and referred to as "The Car That Came From The Sky" in a Horseless Carriage Club of America article. Not the biggest Peerless engine for that year...but still 578 cubic inches.

Looks like an "nth-degree" restoration. Beautiful professional photography.

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1925 PEERLESS MOD. 6-72 TOURING PHAETON for sale on e-bay for about 17 hours.

Location: Maine

Car was in San Diego the last 60 years (transported to Maine, USA last winter). Previous owner Mr. Swantz.

Thank you Scot Olthof for the information!

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I just heard that the 1923 Model 66 Peerless Phaeton which was previously owned by Dr. Matthias Keller (Germany) will be for sale at a no reserve auction in Brussels, Belgium October 8th, 2012. This is one of the V-8 Peerlesses and looks like one illustrated in Maurice Hendry's chapter on Peerless in the 1973 Automobile Quarterly, VOL. 11, NO. 1.

"New Peerless Discovered" thread, Post #3, here on the Peerless Forum has a photo of this car. Auction house is PIERRE BERGE & Associes (email address: contact@pba-auctions.com). Sale estimate of 40,000-48,000 euros.

Thank you Philippe Mordant for this information!

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I was not able to find if the '25 and '27 Peerlesses sold or not. The 1925 Six-72 4-Passenger Phaeton (I think that was the model) was 12 bids into the auction at about $5,800 when I checked 18 hours before auction end. The 1927 Six-60 Five-Passenger Sedan was about 18 bids in, and at about $18,000 2 hours before auction end.

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There is a nice 1915 Peerless Model 48-Six Seven-Passenger Touring for sale this weekend at the Hershey RM Auction.

Last year for the luxurious and large 578 Cu. In. T-Head engine Model 48-Six Peerless, their second-biggest engine.

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I thought it sold, but I looked at the auction site again which says it did not sell.

You have the only 1916 V-8 Peerless in the world....and that should be worth something!

By any chance have you seen the story up in the General Discussion Forum about someone trying to fit the water distribution pipes on his 1915 Standard Eight with the Herschell-Spillman engine? The thread is: "1915 Standard Eight Roadster" and Bob,"vwlfan", has had new pipes made and can't get them to seat properly. I thought maybe you had taken those pipes on and off a few times over the years even though they'd be originals.

----Jeff

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I did not see the discussion forum about sealing the water manifolds on the Hirschell-Spillman V-8. This engine should be identical to my 1916 Peerless V-8. I had to make new manifolds for mine out of brass, the originals were steel and rusted out. Mine are flanged that go into the block and are sealed with split nuts and packing. The split nuts screw into the block tightening the packing against the flange and swelling against the block.

Peerless changed this and the 1917 V-8 water manifold had a flange with two bolt holes that sealed with a red rubber gasket between the flange and block. RHL

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just some questions, i have a 1926 peerless roadster that is not in running condition but exterior is in good condition. it has a boat tail. does anyone have any idea what i could value it at?

Dear Traci,

Thank you for taking the effort to join the AACA Forums and posting your first message on the Peerless Forum. That's fantastic to hear about your Peerless! Such a desirable body style. Do you have a Model Six-80 with a cast-iron-crankcase six {carburetor on left side of engine}, a Model Six-72 {aluminum Peerless six with carburetor on right}, or a Model Eight-69 {aluminum Peerless V-8}? The only 1926 Peerless Boat Tail Roadster I can think of is in Africa. Where do you live? I live in Idaho, USA and have a 1928 Peerless Mod. 6-80 Boat Tail Coupe.

The question of car values is a difficult one, as monetary values of antique cars are neither constant or rational. Based strictly on their rarity compared to fellow thoroughbreds Packard and Pierce-Arrow, I would be tempted to say running Peerlesses should be worth $50,000*** and running restored ones $100,000*** A condition #5- 1927 Peerless converted into a farm truck sold for $1,200 in CA a couple of years ago...and a 1910 Brewster-bodied Peerless Victoria Landau sold for $469,000 in Maine about the same time. These are the lowest and highest prices I've heard of for Peerless in recent years.

About 3 years ago I averaged the asking and selling prices for Peeresses for sale in various places and came up with an average price of $19,000 for 15 cars, once I removed all the brass cars. As you know, Brass-Era cars in nice shape tend to bring a lot of money(some of these had just sold for $96,000, $180,000, $330,000, etc.).

----Jeff

***That doesn't mean they are...just that if rarity alone determined price, those might be starting points for these cars. Remember, there are more Duesenbergs around than Peerlesses...4 times as many Pierce-Arrows...and 16 times as many Packards.

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Dear Traci,

Thank you for taking the effort to join the AACA Forums and posting your first message on the Peerless Forum. That's fantastic to hear about your Peerless! Such a desirable body style. Do you have a Mod. Six-80 with a cast-iron-crankcase six {carburetor on left side of engine}, a Mod. Six-72 {aluminum Peerless six with carburetor on right}, or an Eight-69 {aluminum Peerless V-8}? The only 1926 Peerless Boat Tail Roadster I can think of is in Africa. Where do you live? I live in Idaho, USA and have a 1928 Peerless Mod. 6-80 Boat Tail Coupe.

The question of car values is a difficult one, as monetary values of antique cars are neither constant or rational. If it were up to me, any running Peerless would be $50,000 and up and any restored one $100,000 and up because of their rarity compared to fellow thoroughbreds Packard and Pierce-Arrow. A condition #5- 1927 Peerless converted into a farm truck sold for $1,200 in CA a couple of years ago...and a 1910 Brewster-bodied Peerless Victoria sold for $469,000 in Maine about the same time.

----Jeff

im not sure about the engine ill have to check with my grampa. the car is located in oregon

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You did ask "what I could value it at", so I will try to answer it to the best of my knowledge. Value is easy: it's just what one person considers good and is kind of subjective. However, you were probably trying to get at the question: "Is it worth anything monetarily?" I haven't seen your '26 Peerless Boat Tail Roadster in person and am not an antique car appraiser. I did notice that you have a color photo visible by clicking on the highlighted "1" underneath your display name. The good news is that you have a rare breed of car and quite the desirable body style!

Old Cars Weekly has a book you can buy with pre-WWII car prices on it*. I don't have one of those. The Standard Catalog of American Cars, 1805-1942, Vol. I was reprinted about 2 years ago. The 1996 edition has estimates of prices based on the condition #1 through #5 system and I have the 8 pages from that book relating to Peerless. Based on that, a '26 6-80 Roadster was listed at 4200/5200/8400/15,700/29,000. $4200 would be their estimate for a rough condition "#5" car. $29,000 would be for a "#1" car, perfect condition, exactly as it came from the factory.

A '26 6-72 Roadster was listed as: 4700/6100/9900/19,000/33,000. No listing for a 1926 8-69, though Peerless did build them. They are listed for 1927 at: 5200/6800/11,300/23,000/36,000. Please remember that these estimates are imprecise and 17 years old.

*2013 Collector Car Price Guide see: oldcarsweekly.com, price: $21.99

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There is a 1931 Peerless Master Eight Sedan for sale in Florida. Ad is currently on the Buy/Sell Forum, with photos. I think the automobile has been in the same family about half a century.

Here's someone's chance to have one of only 12 car collections in the world to have what I call the Triple Crown of Car Collecting: one each of "The Three Ps of Fine Cars"! Price is $33,000. Poster's display name is: rwoodland. Thread last updated: 11/7/12.

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just some questions, i have a 1926 peerless roadster that is not in running condition but exterior is in good condition. it has a boat tail. does anyone have any idea what i could value it at?

Traci

I monitor prices on all cars but so few Peerless cars change hands it is difficult. I would go with Jeff's price guide estimates but also, you may not know what a #1 or a #6 car is. Typically a #1 car would be as it left the showroom or in this case, an "over-restored" restored car now.

You stated yours in not running, but as Jeff notes, it is one of the maybe 2-3 most desirable 20's body styles, being an open car, boattail car.

What are your intentions? Do you wish to sell it? If so, provide this forum with at least 10 photos and describe it's status - such as when was the last time driven? and we can probably get you within $2000-$4000 in "worth". I suspect if it needs full restoration, but is solid, then look for it to be valued at $6,000 to $13,000. If it only needs sorted engine-wise, that is maybe an engine tune up with some parts replaced, then the value may be $10,000 to $20,000.

The issue is that so few Peerless cars change hands that this creates a double edged sword, so to speak.

Knowledgeable people in the collector world know of Peerless but don't necessarily clammer to own them. The true brass era Peerless cars are highly sought, but the collective pool of monied collectors is very small.

By the 1920's Peerless cache among the elite was waining, as they built several somewhat pedestrian cars engine wise, while maintaining fine coachworks and chassis assembly. This at a time when the competition was heating up, so for sure, the issue with your car selling for top dollar has far more to do with the limited collectibility then with the actual car. I hope that makes sense, but in a nutshell there is not a huge market for the car, and you must be patient at a price-point to find that collector that will purchase it.

I have a very rare car, which was offered on ebay a couple of months back at merely $1000 and received no bids, but had 50+ folks "watch" it, indicating that it is a "buyers" market and people are very careful to pull the trigger. I am parting the car out to recoup some of my money and one very rare part garnered only a $1 bid!

When I discussed this with a prominant collector of the car, he stated that my parts have value but no one presently is restoring one of thsi car and so no one needs the part BUT if they did then they would have to pay whatever to get the part, then it has more value.

Such is the case with your Peerless, if you find the right buyer and can find just 2-3 buyers interested, then a higher price will result in it's sale. I have seen some auctions on TV where a few buyers were interested in the car and drove the price up, but then only 2 in the crowd went back and forth for the car, raising the price of course, but basically, at that time, indicating that only 2 people were interested in that car's purchase.

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Bryan,

I don't know if we'll hear from the poster who owns the 1926 Peerless again or not. I kind of hate to answer questions about how much a car is worth. The answer is, technically, go to the best auto appraiser you can find and pay them $300-600 plus expenses to look at the car in person. Problem is, how long is that accurate?

Some people say that things like auctions, Craigslist and e-Bay determine value. Personally, I think that's a bunch of "barnyard acids". Auctions determine what the guys who happen to be there have in their pockets, feel like paying, or don't feel like paying but circumstances lead them down the path of overpaying (this could include following what's trendy, or bidding big to show who's boss). In a perfect world, I guess, the right auction could be found for every car. I will admit that some auctions bring good prices for sellers, but I've seen the opposite.

If this 1926 Peerless Boat Tail Roadster were in the same condition as the 1929 Essex Boat Tail at Hershey this year, I would think it to be just as valuable......even though the Essex was a factory show car and aluminum-bodied. Peerless always had more of a name than Essex, and a Peerless 6-80 had quite a bit more engine, too. It's not a postwar mass-production car but is a hand-built model from a low-production, high-prestige luxury car maker. Pre-Cadillac, pre-Rolls-Royce, Pre-Duesenberg. The fact that there aren't car price-guide books that keep up with Peerless prices is more the publishers fault than the cars -- a fair number of sales are occurring. The auctioneers and price guide publishers just haven't caught up yet. If they did, it might make it harder to buy one of these cars, 'cause the price might go up a little. In a sense, Peerless cars and trucks not being as collectible as exotics 25 years ago or muscle cars 5 years ago is a good thing. Corvettes, Mustangs and tri-five Chevies are pretty trendy these days, but they made millions of them. My feeling is that Peerless will someday travel in the same circles as Duesenbergs, Marmon 16s, Shelby Mustangs, and Dodge Daytonas, collectibility-wise. Meanwhile, antique car aficianados who are interested in the car for its contribution to U.S. auto history rather than investments will be able to find them at reasonable prices.

Sorry to get up on a soapbox,

----Jeff

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Jeff

Given the small number of Peerless in the market place, I agree that you need different make comparables like the Essex to derive value. I am just glad that Peerless cars keep popping up for the "Known Peerless List"

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I happened to stop by on my way to purchase a 1929 Gardner in Oregon and looked at the Peerless. At first glance it looks like an older restoration that has sat in a barn for 30 years. The engine never was drained and the block cracked. The mice got to the top and some of the upholstry and the moisture of Oregon has started to eat its way into some of the body. Most of the plate work looks like it is deteriating from the inside. So when you really looked at the car close up it needed a full restoration. The wood though did seem solid throughout the car. Would be a neat little car once it is restored again. But I felt like the price had to reflect the fact the car needed a full restoration. The car had a cool exhaust whistle on it. Made me smile when I saw that.

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1930harley,

Thank you for stopping by and giving us a first-hand report about this Peerless. There must be more people who read the Peerless Forum than I thought. Do you happen to remember which side the manifolds and carburetor were on if it's a Six? If on the L.S. it's a 6-80 and if on the R.S. it may be a 6-72 or 6-60. You may have actually seen the body plate on the firewall or even a coachbuilder's tag.

Gardners are pretty rare automobiles, too and you're fortunate to have found a '29. You must have bought the one for sale here on the AACA Forums a while ago with a Lycoming Straight Eight.

Thanks!

Jeff

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