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Thanks Mal,

I had read about this Peerless in British Columbia. As a matter of fact, I think the owner is joining the Peerless Motor Car Club, putting an ad in the Peerless Co-Operator, or both. Jeff

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Mal,

By any chance, is your last name Harris? Someone joined the Peerless Motor car Club this year named Mal Harris --- but I don't have an address yet and I wondered if it was you.

Thanks & G'day to you!.........Jeff

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G'day Jeff,

Yup, that's me! Thought I'd expand my horizons somewhat.:D

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Howdy Mal,

Please send me your email address by PM and I will connect you to KPAIE. An exclusive PMCC membership benefit listing all the known Peerlesses worldwide. You can be reading it in 15 minutes. ....Jeff

P.S.: Welcome Aboard!

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In case you haven't read it in the Peerless Research Findings thread or recent ebay listings, there are 2 1932 Peerlesses for sale with an interesting story. They were originally collected by Roscoe Stelford of Pingree Grove, IL who had one of three big oldtime Peerless collections {Harrah's, Stelford's and Dotson's}. I guess his place in rural northern Illinois was legendary for what you could find there. Richard Lichtfeld was driving around in a 1916 Peerless V-8 in the 1950's and someone directed him to Stelford's place for a spare part, which he had. I heard about someone else who found what he described as "The Cord Prototype" there and added it to his collection. Most of the old cars were purchased 25 to 50 years earlier when just used cars.

When Mr. Stelford died about 25 years ago there were still 13 Peerless left. A Mr. Chisolm and a Mr. Backer bought a number of these and took them to Fulton, MO. A museum called Auto World started there and these cars were in storage but not on display or even on the museum's website where they list their cars. Somehow, Peter Krell, the owner of Pete's Classic Cars, knew about them, was able to buy the cars, and put them up for sale at his business in the Dallas area.

Both are truly among the last-of-the-line offerings of the luxury carmaker Peerless. One is a 1932 Peerless Deluxe Master Eight Five Passenger Sedan, price $9,995. One is a 1932 Peerless Custom Eight, which was usually called a Five Passenger Brougham, but can also be called a 5-Passenger Sedan, price $19,500. Both need total restoration. The Custom is in better shape than the Deluxe Master Eight. The good news is that the seller has provided lots of detailed color photos of both Peerlesses on his business website: www.petesclassiccars.com.

The last hurrah for Peerless luxury cars, the Alexis de Sakhnoffsky-designed straight eight cars, were sold in 1930, 1931, and 1932. My count of existing Peerless Eights from those years shows 32, 4 of them questionable. 2,003 Standard Eights were built, 1,219 Master and Deluxe Master Eights, and 555 Custom Eights. Peerless built about 107,000 cars overall, averaging 3,800 a year from 1900-1931.

These 2 cars had disappeared. I'm glad Mr. Krell found them and grateful that he's shared so much information with us.

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Hello Jeff (and all readers),

Wow, this is quite a nice little project. It's out of my range at the moment time-wise as well as financially. I'd be interested to see this beaut back on the road some day.

Ralph

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What was the price range on the Custom 8? This one makes the car that Tom Lafarriere sold look like a bargain.

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Nice to hear from you again A.J.,

The Peerless Custom Eight body styles were:

Coupe........5 Pass. Club Sedan........5 Pass. Brougham........7 Pass. Sedan........7 Pass. Limousine

$2,795................$2,845......................$2,845..................$2,945...................$3,045

Known Peerless Automobiles In Existence lists 6 to 8 survivors out of 555 built. Maybe you've seen one of them, Ele Chesney's car. Possibly as many as 12 Masters and Deluxe Masters, and 8 Standard Eights.

----Jeff

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Hi Jeff, what is the difference between a Master and a Deluxe master? Is there a production breakdown on the different body styles and did they all ride the 137 inch wheelbase chassis?

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I'll try to answer your questions as best I can. Peerless information cannot be verified by factory records like with some other makes. Unlike a lot of higher-production cars like Cadillac, Corvette and Packard, there aren't a lot of books on Peerless. The Peerless archives vanished about 1946. The Standard Catalog has some slightly different numbers than the new car prices above, which were taken from Richard Lichtfeld's 2009 book The History of the Peerless Automobile Company. There's also some coverage of this in Richard Wager's Golden Wheels.

When the all straight eight Peerless lines came out in 1930, there was the Standard (Mod. A), Master (Model "B")and Custom (Mod. C). The A had a 118" w.b. and an 85 h.p. engine(247 c.i.d.), the B had a 125" w.b. and a 115 h.p. engine(322 c.i.d.), and the C had a 138" w.b. and a 120 h.p. engine(322 c.i.d.). Then a 4th line came out a few months later, a Weymann body option*. At some point in 1931, I believe a distinction from a Master 8 to a Deluxe Master 8 came in; not sure of all the differences, but I think the upgrade got you a 4-speed, chrome plated trim rings around the dual sidemounts, and a chromium "Peerless" script on the rad shell. An example of the price spread would be $2,045/$2,370 [Master/Deluxe Master] for a 5-P Brougham, according to the Lichtfeld book. The Continental 322 13K engines have Schebler carburetors; single for the 115 h.p. version, duplex for the 120 h.p. version, so I've been told.

I also came across something written about Peerless claiming that when the end of car-building was at hand, though no cars were built in 1932, the ones completed after a certain date were declared 1932s and Master 8s became Deluxe Master 8s. There could have been some blurring of the lines re: wheelbases, engines, trim, etc. depending on what parts were still available. Though most writers say the last Peerless built was the well-known V-16 Prototype that sits in the Crawford Museum, I happen to think it was the 1932 Custom Eight built for the Cleveland Chief of Police. Finished November, 1932. Technically, this would have had body plate number 70,555.**

There are no records anywhere about how many Custom 8 Limousines, Deluxe Master 8 Cabriolets, etc. were built. I do know that a '31 Master Eight Sport Coupe in brilliant original condition showed up at the 2012 CCCA CAR-a-van and did the 1,200-mile tour out of Portland. One long-time participant in the tours said he had driven in 32 CAR-a-vans and this was the first Peerless he'd seen on one. Maybe the attraction of cars like these two for sale is that, after major restoration efforts, you could go on a tour and not "see yourself coming around the corner", as they say. I got to see the '31 Coupe at the Gathering at Gilmore last year and it is impressive.

Hope this is of some help. ----Jeff



*I've never seen prices on those, but came across a comment by an owner that sticker price was $5,000. Weymann was one of at least 38 42 companies that put bodies on Peerless chassis'.

**The car does not survive, but I found it's serial number plate for sale on ebay last year and a Peerless Custom Eight owner now has it.

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Sure. I wouldn't be surprised if a few dozen Peerless Weymanns were built. A Mr. C. L. Bartshe of Cleveland owned one(have a picture), and there's a picture of another one on page 1165 of the 1996 Standard Catalog, captioned "1931 Peerless Eight, limousine, Weymann, HAC."

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Peerless produced four different models with a full range of bodies in 1930 that ranged in price from $1495 to $3045. Total production 4,010

In 1931 models and prices were the same as 1930 --Production stopped June 30, 1931 with 850 cars built.

In October 1931 several cars were assembled from parts in inventory and sold as 1932 models at reduced prices, Deluxe 8--$1,195 & Standard 8--$1,095, some of these would be a mix and match of parts. Peerless continued maintaining a parts inventory for Peerless cars already built.

The factory closed Nov. 7, 1931 and converted into a brewery.

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Thank you for the excellent photo. The same one that's in The Standard Catalog of American Cars. Several people have copies of this factory photo for sale, even the AACA Library. I gather that if this car were still around and for sale, you'd buy it?

That's a good question you asked about how many Weymann Peerlesses were built. If the stolen Peerless archives ever re-appear we could find out, I think. I'm curious about the other coachbuilders [44 that I know of] and how many of each were built. The good news is, if you like the car, there are a couple dozen Thirties Straight Eight Peerlesses left out of the 3,777 built[an estimate based on serial numbers assigned].

One showed up at an event not far from you in 2000, the New Gloucester, Maine "Hodgman's Frozen Custard Knucklebusters Car Club Show". It was a '32 Peerless Custom Eight Cabriolet w/ a Fisher or Fleetwood body. Maroon (or Purple) & Ivory car, took 1st!. All the other 27 to 33 survivors have Hayes bodies, I believe.

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alsancle and truckmen,

Here's a picture of a 1931 Peerless Deluxe Master Eight, one of which is advertised for sale a few posts above in unrestored condition. One gets a 115 HP straight eight of 322 cubic inches, and a four-speed transmission with this model. By an odd coincidence, a model identical to the one for sale was given a thorough Drive Report by Special Interest Autos*, the predecessor to Hemmings Classic Car. If one felt the Continental engine to be too powerful, a buyer that year could have bought a Cadillac V-8 with about 95 HP, or a Mercedes-Benz 370 S Mannheim with about 75 HP.

Now we have pictures of both Peerless models for sale in Texas. Of course, they have coachwork by Hayes -- not Weymann as in the first photo.

---- Jeff

* "1932 Peerless Eight: Last of the Line", by Arch Brown, April, 1984, pp 36-43.

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These two '32 Peerlesses mentioned above are currently for sale on e-Bay.

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&&& Peerless Has Sold &&&

I just got a call telling me that Dennis Mercer passed away about a year ago. He was a Peerless Motor Car Club member and was looking for information on his 1929 Peerless Model Six-81, in an ad in The Peerless Co-Operator magazine. Dennis was a doctor in Alberta, Canada. The person dispersing his car collection for the family tells me that the Peerless is for sale for $7,500. The Peerless is what I call an Opera Coupe, though some call this a 4-Passenger Victoria{Peerless company term} or a Doctor's Coupe{Dr. Mercer's preference}. In an opera coupe, you have two little seats in front...and behind them...a bench seat for 2 plus a padded compartment for your top hat. Two doors, of course.

By coincidence, the video someone made before Dennis Mercer bought the car in 2011 is still online. Easy to view by going to: www.youtube.com and looking for "1929 Peerless Six-81". This video was put together by the last owner 3 or 4 years ago. I looked today & it was the first one that came up when I typed-in "1929 Peerless". It's 4 minutes long and shows the car running and driving.

If interested, contact Rick Pikulski at the following email address and phone number in Canada: carsgoneby@telus.net or #(403) 534-2222. Rick runs a restoration business in Mossleigh, Alberta.

In the future, a number of Dr. Mercer's other cars will be put up for sale. None are in showroom condition, most are in "as-bought condition". Some run, some do not. Some are apart. No doubt the owner planned to wait until retirement before restoration.

Though I have never seen pictures of the other cars, the '29 Peerless sounds like it may have been the closest thing to a restored one in the bunch. I believe it was "85% restored", "a 1980s restoration", or something along those lines as I try to recall its description from 3 years ago. I do remember that the '29 Peerless was in California from when it was new 'till 2011.

Please remember these are not mine, I have never seen them, and that talking to Rick Pikulski will be more accurate than relying on my notes. The other vehicles:

  • 2 trucks
  • 1929 Nash Roadster
  • 1930 Willys-Knight 4-Dr, blue original paint
  • 19_ _ Ford "A" Roadster P/U
  • 1939 Chevrolet Sedan, driver
  • 1929 Marmon, white
  • 1930 Hudson
  • 1929 Studebaker 4-Dr, Big Eight
  • 1924 Gray-Dort Touring
  • 1931 Pierce-Arrow 4-Dr, condition #5
  • 1928 or 29 Pontiac 2-Dr Sedan
  • 1929 4-Dr Franklin, original
  • 1930 Packard 4-Dr Convertible(not sure of condition or body style)
  • 1916 McLaughlin-Buick Touring
  • 1940 LaSalle 4-Dr

...The 1929 Peerless is on kijiji (similar to Craigslist but Canadian) already. Type in "kijiji 1929 peerless" on Google websearch and you should be able to go right to the ad and see 15 recent pictures, including an extremely well-appointed interior:

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......If you've never seen an Opera Coupe, this car has a small rear deck behind the passenger compartment with a built-in trunk, and a rear-mounted spare, not a rumble seat. The angle of the first photo gives the illusion it's a Sedan. As desribed in the Bonhams Auction Catalogue description for the concurrently available 1922 V-8 Peerless Opera Coupe,these cars were originally intended to be chauffeur-driven. **

.........This 1929 Peerless Six-81 has just sold! 10/20/14***

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An outstanding 1922 Peerless model 56 Opera Coupe is for sale at the October 6th Bonhams Auction in Philadelphia. Thank you Dandy Dave, Peerless mechanic, for the tip...........................or I would have NEVER known it was for sale.

----Jeff

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1929 Peerless Model Six-81 Sedan FOR SALE! We will have it in the car corral at Hershey Swap Meet this week. Call today if interested!

Continental Model 18C Straight 6 Engine, 66hp, 248.3 cubic inch engine. Front windshield cranks out for air flow. 4 door, 5 passenger, 116” wheel base, rear spare wheel, steel disc wheels, vertical hood louvers. NEW: Paint, Whitewall Tires, Chrome, Detailed engine compartment, NOS oil filter, Bud Vase, Window Curtains. Exclusively created for this car- a custom framed pastel and Peerless Logo Embroidered Blanket.

Peerless Lockheed Hydraulic Four-Wheel Brakes, overhauled and original to car! Older restoration as original, including mohair upholstery. This car is in excellent mechanical condition. A great touring car with the famous Peerless "silence and comfort" ride. Own the rarest of the famous “3 P’s- Packard, Pierce Arrow & Peerless” Looks and Runs Great! Ready to Tour and Show!

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Antique & Classic Car Sales and Restoration Services

Brando Pistorius (813)917-9205 Tampa, Florida USA www.OldWheel.com

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On 10/18/14, a 1929 Peerless 6-61 will come up for sale at the Dragone Auctions in Westport, CT. The same auction with the 1912 Mercer.

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The 1929 Peerless Four-Passenger Victoria on post #95 here has been marked down to $7,000.

Remember, this is an 85%-restored car, not some "Tow-Yard Special".

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