540K Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 On 9/22/2017 at 12:47 PM, 540K said: 540K Cab B and 380 roadster coming up at Artcurial's M-B sale. 540K Cab B not sold. 380 roadster sold 560,240 Euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SaddleRider Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 white-walls on a Damiler product ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, SaddleRider said: white-walls on a Damiler product ? Besides the RHD, why do you think it didn't sell? The son of the man who owned the car in the 50s reached out to me. It looked better when he owned it in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1937 Cab A going to auction at Coys next month. They have been asking 2.5M Euros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 That’s a very nice car....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, edinmass said: That’s a very nice car....... Agreed. But they will not be getting 3 million dollars for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 Cutaway drawing of a 500k engine. The 540k is identical but for the swapped manifolds, right mounted fuel pump and different air cleaner. I think this was original published in period by Autocar or similar. This is from the March 1971 edition of The Classic Car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindberg Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Original or replica? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 I'm going to guess they started with an original 320 or 290 sedan and went from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Alsancle knows a heck of a lot more than I do about 290's and 320's. Looks like there may be an original engine buried under a bunch of nonoriginal components; can't see enough detail of the radiator; top and wheels are definitely wrong. I really don't see mucn on the exterior that looks good. Didn't the 2 and 3 series cars only have 3 major gauges (not 7)? Did DBAG really cut holes in a frame like that other than the SSKL's? I thought most of those cars had suicide doors. Looks like a hatchet job to me - almost like a kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 Craig, we need Henry the real 320 expert to weigh in. The air cleaner is from a 53/54 300 S. But I don't think there is too much of the original car left. Somebody did do a LOT of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 This book might not be for everyone, but its an interesting read so far: https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/books/the-devils-mercedes-the-bizarre/9781250069726-item.html?ikwid=devils+mercedes&ikwsec=Home&ikwidx=0 I found it at Chapters, same as the online price. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 I probably already said this, but there was a 770K Offener Tourenwagen in a garage on Shrewsbury Street in Worcester Mass around 1960 that was for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAXWEDGECHARLIE Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Which one of the RHD cars was Gene Klineburger's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 You can find a picture here: https://pnwclassics.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/1970-2a-bg-special-caravan-issue.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 23 hours ago, alsancle said: I probably already said this, but there was a 770K Offener Tourenwagen in a garage on Shrewsbury Street in Worcester Mass around 1960 that was for sale. According to this book I'm reading, it appears to have been the Mannerheim car that was part of the Waterman collection, going by the timeline of it's history. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 Interesting. Are there any pictures of it? I think the guy wanted 7500 bucks for it which was a ton of money for that period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 From the photo section of the book, a photo with the closest date from when you would have seen it: As it sits in a private collection today. According to the book, it won First Place in the Prewar Mercedes Benz class at the 2014 Pebble Beach Concours. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, 8E45E said: From the photo section of the book, a photo with the closest date from when you would have seen it: Actually, that would have been big Al. I was not born for a few more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 On 11/25/2017 at 9:00 PM, hansvdc said: Original or replica? The engine is from W18(290) or w142(320), intake and exhaust completely new, and too much free space till radiator. front rocker arms looks like w18/w142, but frame is more like Swiss cheese ... very-very light, usually frames was more like truck-type heavy. Just my 2 cents. Dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 http://www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/auctions/details.cfm?vehicleID=40&id=61 Everyone proboly seen this 770 on auction list My question is what do you guys think will be sale price ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 to 3.5 hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Said to be one of 5 surviving 770K OT's. One of 4 of Hitler's main cars. A pair of his socks sold for $20,000. There will be at least two people who really want it and can afford it. Is there a more infamous car in history (Kennedy's motorcade car)? If being sold by RM, Gooding or Bonham's in Monterey, I'd say the car goes for $7-10 million, but I'm not sure Worldwide in Arizona will see max dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted December 30, 2017 Author Share Posted December 30, 2017 Not that attractive and the Nazi memorabilia thing is not hot market these days. I'm probably light on my estimate but there are very few attractive 770K bodied cars. This one is not ugly, but not stunner either. General Lyon's Cab B would be interesting to see come to auction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 On 2017-12-29 at 6:36 PM, 540K said: Is there a more infamous car in history (Kennedy's motorcade car)? Idi Amin's Mercedes Benz 600. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 What I think 770k is regular sale price is 3.5mil but this one is not regular. That spetial car with all papers. And i think will sold for much more. I am guessing 8-12 mil.... Will find out soon)))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 On 12/29/2017 at 7:09 PM, alsancle said: I'm probably light on my estimate but there are very few attractive 770K bodied cars. This one is not ugly, but not stunner either. 770K OT were never designed to be 'elegant'. They were designed and overbuilt to be authoritarian in a sinister kind of way. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 We are up to 65 pages and I can't remember what I've already posted. So here is a picture of a late 540K Special Roadster that my Uncle Ted bought from Ed Jurist. He kept the car for only 6-9 months before trading it back to Ed for a Duesenberg. The price in the mid 60s was around 6500.00. The attached picture is from about 10 years after Ted owned the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 6500.00 Was just about two decent optioned new Mustangs. If you take the value of the car today, how many new mustangs could you buy? Something like 90 or 100? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 MSRP for a mustang starts at 25k. That 540k is a 3.5 to 4 million dollar car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinmass Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 10 hours ago, alsancle said: MSRP for a mustang starts at 25k. That 540k is a 3.5 to 4 million dollar car. So from the low side that would be 160 new Mustangs.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8E45E Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, edinmass said: So from the low side that would be 160 new Mustangs.......... And who would want to pay for covered storage space for them? The cost of warehouse space here, you'd lose your 'investment' in the first year!! Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Magno Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 It's 320 replica time again. The blue 320 CA is up for auction in Scottsdale at Worldwide Auctions http://www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/auctions/details.cfm?vehicleID=6&id=61. No mention of the re-body. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 14, 2018 Author Share Posted January 14, 2018 Henry, Are you sure? They allude to a history going back to the 60s. This 1938 Mercedes-Benz 320, chassis number 191150, is a beautiful example of the celebrated W142 line, featuring a robust 3.2-litre powerplant and a sporting, yet dignified, two-door Cabriolet body with two front seats, an occasional third seat at the rear, and twin spare wheel-and-tire assemblies, stacked and neatly mounted atop the rear decklid. Stylish and imposing, the 320 and particularly its Cabriolet variants had few peers on either side of the Atlantic as one of the finest open touring cars of the immediate prewar era, affording their fortunate owners premium style and specifications with excellent value. Finished in excellent colors, this handsome 1938 Mercedes-Benz 320’s earliest history remains unknown, due to the devastation suffered by the company’s Mannheim works during wartime. According to prior published accounts, the Mercedes is understood to have been confiscated during or after WW II, presumably for military purposes. By the 1960s, it was with a private owner in the United States, and it is believed he eventually sold the vehicle to a European businessman during the mid-1980s. In 2007, it was returned to its native Germany and then given a high-quality, frame-off restoration by Mercedes-Benz specialist with particular attention paid the chassis, body, and underlying wood framing. Accents include striking restored brightwork and new grey leather upholstery, fitted to the highest standards. In addition, the engine was refurbished, as was the electrical system, which was completely restored including new cables and connectors. The interior compartment is simply a visual delight, featuring a Philips European-band radio, restored VDO instruments, a beautiful mother-of-pearl inlaid instrument panel, highly polished dashboard wood, and restored door caps. An East Coast collector specializing in fine European cars acquired the car in 2014 and subsequently showed it on the concours lawn at Amelia Island and Pinehurst. Offered in wonderful condition, this 1938 Mercedes-Benz 320 Cabriolet restored example of one of the best prewar open cars from Mercedes-Benz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Magno Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Absolutely sure, Same BS story they gave last auction write up. Well I suppose that the story may have fit this chassis, but there is no evidence that it was built as a Cab A. This is the car I first saw at the Amelia show. Even Bonhams put a weakly worded disclaimer on at for their Amelia auction 2016, after I gave them my input on it. This car was in another auction this year, can't remember which one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Magno Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) The first really easy tip off is the fender beading. If it looks flat and wide, it's because they made it out of a separate strip of metal on the replicas. On the factory bodies, the bead is narrower and has more crown. It was rolled in. The next tip is the false molding across the top of the door. The height of this changes too much as it gets to the rear of the door such that it appears close to the top of the hinge. On an original, their is more room between the molding and the hinge. Also this door top was constructed out of separate pieces of sheet, and like the fender bead, is too flat. There are other things like the shape of the rear deck, the contours are oversimplified. Edited January 15, 2018 by Henry Magno (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 770 not sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 On 12/29/2017 at 7:36 PM, 540K said: Said to be one of 5 surviving 770K OT's. One of 4 of Hitler's main cars. A pair of his socks sold for $20,000. There will be at least two people who really want it and can afford it. Is there a more infamous car in history (Kennedy's motorcade car)? If being sold by RM, Gooding or Bonham's in Monterey, I'd say the car goes for $7-10 million, but I'm not sure Worldwide in Arizona will see max dollars. Post-auction news reports are that the high bid was in fact $7M, but wasn't enough for the seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 On 1/18/2018 at 5:37 PM, 540K said: Post-auction news reports are that the high bid was in fact $7M, but wasn't enough for the seller. Sometimes the chandeliers have had a lot to drink and get carried away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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