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Dave, I found the plate from my car, see attached. The engine nr. is matching with engine in the car.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DaveCorbin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dear Pepcak: It's good that young people are enjoying these earlier cars. I'm about 36 years older than you (70 on May 19th, 2009) and joined the BCA in 1972. As to the story on Rolls, I'd have to dig out source material that's probably older than you. The sad story about the production figures is enough to make you cry. I've spent a lot of time since 1999 trying to find out exactly what those numbers looked like for the USA and Canada In the USA, I've succeded in finding bits and pieces from many sources and now have completed a huge data file covering 1904 thru 1958, both for frame numbers and engine numbers for USA cars only. IF your car has a USA engine, I can tell you when the engine was made to within a month. Producton at McLaughlin is usually about 6 weeks later. This research included an actual trip to Canada in 2006, specifically to GM of Canada. I did find the actual archives of George William McLaughlin at Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario. The archivist let me study thru them for 3 full days, but no production figures were found. I also have a chart which I've made from well over 200 McLaughlin serial numbers that seems to be very accurate in establishing year from just the McLaughlin serial number. If you post yours, I can confirm year. Regards, Dave Corbin </div></div>

Dave, thanks for the feedback. I am trying to find this (production number) information for years with no success. Looks Canada built more tourings in 28 than US, considering at least 3 preserved. The information about Rolls-Royce regularly testing Buicks is very interesting, is this story available anywhere in more detail? I am tempted to talk to some of proud owners of 20/25 Rollses in here :-) (I do not dare to think about Phantoms). I always thought Buick car is very good value for money even from today prospective when restoring it. Everything is just straight and simple, understandable, robust enough and aesthetic in the same time. I could not afford Rolls, but this Buick is at least comparable in size and noblesse in my eyes and far more affordable for common guy, with still quite lots of parts around us. Last year I started the "serious" work on the car, hopefully I will make some progress in 2009. BTW - in 1980 I was just 5 years old....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DaveCorbin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dear Josef: I think I can answer some of your questions. As to the question of "How many cars were made by year and by model within the year?" I have to sadly report that this information was thrown away by GM of Canada or by McLaughlin many yeas ago. All that survived is the total number of cars built each year by make (Buick, Chevrolet etc.) and I'm reasonably sure that that list got "sanitized" to only GM makes, as I have a McLaughlin catalogue for an electric car which McLaughlin offered on a Rauch & Lang chassis. I assume that they built a few, but there is no report of anything except GM makes. As to your questions about the report in Spanish, I read it and it is a very complete description of the technical specifications of a 1928 Model 49. If you have a good piece of Buick sale literature for your car, you already have most of the information. One thing that was interesting was the technical comparision to a similiar year Rolls-Royce, in which the writer noted that the Buick rode and drove as well as the Rolls. This is not too surprising, as Rolls-Royce had a very thorough program of testing competitive makes and had identified Buick as early as about 1915 as the best volume produced car in the world from an engineering/engine/ride point of view. The Spanish writer apparently didn't know about the Rolls-Royce annual review of Buick, which usually resulted in the Buick being disassembled and it's components subjected to a piece by piece testing and inspection. If you set a Buick next to about a 4 years later Rolls and open the hoods, you'll quickly see what I'm talking about. Regards, Dave Corbin FYI: I worked at ENASA in Madrid in 1980 to 1982. Before the Spanish Civil War, it was Hispano Suiza. That's the "why" of being able to read that test drive in Spanish. </div></div>

Hi, I am the owner of McLaughlin Buick 28-49 too, but its a bit mystery. Is it known how many of them (of 28-49, 7 passenger tourings) have been built in Canada? Excellent book by Terry Dunham says two, but it deals with US (Flint) production. My car has been nicely rebodied into 7 passenger limo with divider and has Buffalo wire wheel and dual side mounts. I just cant find the firewall plate now... The pictures of it are at www.pepcak.webzdarma.cz. Car is located in the Czech Reblic, since 1933 served in volunteer fire dept. Previous history is unknown to me. There is also another 28-49 in test nof Spanish magazine, (http://motor.terra.es/coches-clasicos/pruebas/articulo/buick_master_six_model_28-49_23966.htm) but I can speak any Spanish.... Any information is welcome. Josef

Dave, 1) I have a part list for 1928 Master models titled "McLaughlin Buick" (not "Buick") and there is model designation list at the front. I dont have it in front of me but I would bet that model designation is the same as US products i.e. 28-50 is 7pass sedan, 28-50L 7pass limo with divider, 28-49 7 pass touring etc. 2) If you look at the plate above, the designators are the same as for US cars. I wouldnt think they used same designators for different body style than US couterpart. 3) The Spanish report we talked about is also about Canadian made 28-49 that is 7 pass touring. I did not tell you I never opened the driver door, because they are frozen for whatever reason, so there may be a builder tag there.... 4) Royal 28-49 was also 7 pass touring; all sources I have seen so far mention 2(3) cars built, one (Serial# 139645 engine# 2034106) is preserved in Canadian museum. <span style="font-weight: bold">Where is the second (and third) one? Does anybody know their serial and engine#?</span> I do not dare to say that "R" stands for "Royal” with serial nr. “just” 375 apart.... :-)) Mystery goes on......

Dave, its 128 inches as one would expect, left hand steering. I have understood that (Flint) export cars had right hand steering and X designation. This one is not the case. At the picture is the guy I bought the car from. There is no body builder tag anywhere.... The common praxis in pre-war Czechoslovakia was to import chassis only (due to high import duties) and build the body locally. As you can see its a bit different from common Fisher jobs (much longer rear portion and windows in wood framing) on the other hand the double beltline is very "american" to me, wings and side aprons are true factory parts. Windscreen is horizontally split what would implicate usage of "touring" windscreen. Not sure if the rear portion of a "touring" is that long though. Some time ago I have seen Graham Paige for sale in Great Britain having exactly the same style of window wood frames. Some of door hardware is stamped "Bororo" what I think was Italian lock manufacturer. External door handles are beaten brass, valve rocker cover is thick nickel plated, front (drivers seats) are leather, rear compartment is in cloth.

Dave, thanks for the info. It makes perfectly sense, one would not expect that the engine has been changed/replaced here in middle of Europe... Any idea what "R" after model designation does mean? And, also I would be interested in the Rolls testing Buick components story.. Thanks again Josef

Dave, I found the plate from my car, see attached. The engine nr. is matching with engine in the car.

Dave, thanks for the feedback. I am trying to find this (production number) information for years with no success. Looks Canada built more tourings in 28 than US, considering at least 3 preserved. The information about Rolls-Royce regularly testing Buicks is very interesting, is this story available anywhere in more detail? I am tempted to talk to some of proud owners of 20/25 Rollses in here :-) (I do not dare to think about Phantoms). I always thought Buick car is very good value for money even from today prospective when restoring it. Everything is just straight and simple, understandable, robust enough and aesthetic in the same time. I could not afford Rolls, but this Buick is at least comparable in size and noblesse in my eyes and far more affordable for common guy, with still quite lots of parts around us. Last year I started the "serious" work on the car, hopefully I will make some progress in 2009. BTW - in 1980 I was just 5 years old....

Hi, I am the owner of McLaughlin Buick 28-49 too, but its a bit mystery. Is it known how many of them (of 28-49, 7 passenger tourings) have been built in Canada? Excellent book by Terry Dunham says two, but it deals with US (Flint) production. My car has been nicely rebodied into 7 passenger limo with divider and has Buffalo wire wheel and dual side mounts. I just cant find the firewall plate now... The pictures of it are at www.pepcak.webzdarma.cz. Car is located in the Czech Reblic, since 1933 served in volunteer fire dept. Previous history is unknown to me. There is also another 28-49 in test nof Spanish magazine, (http://motor.terra.es/coches-clasicos/pruebas/articulo/buick_master_six_model_28-49_23966.htm) but I can speak any Spanish.... Any information is welcome. Josef

Hi, can anyone idetify this car? Should not be a big deal.... Thanks Josef

James, I remember the topic from Sept. The wheels I have on my 1928 Master Six Buick (I have attached pictures then) have the straight taper and six locating pins. They are referred as "Buffalo" "A5 W.W. Corp." on the fastening nut. I think that the #5, #6 etc. means opening in the wheel centre in inches. see also http://forums.aaca.org/ubbthreads.php/topics/541008

This Renault is owned and run by Leipziger Messe (German trade fair company). It is said to be 14/20 model from 1914 and it IS the Renault that played a role in love scene in Titanic movie w/ Kate Winslet.

Hi, can anyone identify the speedo? Origin & year.... Thanks. Josef

Peter, I am interested in the gauges, how much would you ask for them? Thanks, Josef.

Is there a picture of the whole car?

....try 1927buicks forum at yahoo.com, there is lot of good and knowledgeable folks there...

... I am still looking for, one lamp for pattern is definitely an option for me. Thanks!

Paul, this seems not to be the cheapest stuff - I thought 100 bucks could do it... Are they really from Master Six? You mentioned you have whole (parts?) car for sale, would you mind to take few pictures? To ship stuff to the Chech Republic is not more difficult than to ship stuff to Australia. I believe US post can provide you with the quote based on shipping weight and size. If we agree on price, I will add postage to the sum I will pay you. Thanks Josef

I have #5 on Master Six Buick, see picture. Should you know about such a wheel, let me please know. Josef

Paul, I have sent you PM, did you read it? Josef

This one (and the right mate of course:)

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Received all what was needed, many thanks Buford!