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I'm in there right now....they won't even acknowledge any questions about the viability of the Riviera.....sad. They say they want feedback, then they actually answer a question Stupid....just stupid

I believe I know which 1965 Wildcat Hearse/ambulance you speak of. If it's the one I tried to buy from the guy, he's got a far higher value system on that car than it's really worth. When I asked if he was willing to sell it, he said no, but he'd trade for a 50's Cadillac ambulance, or top notch hearse. Ahem, but that Buick is worth 1/5th the Cadillac....not a good deal. I never found another to make an offer on. Sad.

You would be referring to this news: Apparently the vehicle was not well received. Too bad they didn't do this before they made the Pontiac Aztek. If you want to have some input on things, why not voice your opinion directly to Susan Docherty, General Manager, Buick GMC. Go to GM FastLane and sign up for a reminder about this upcoming chat. I plan on asking about the Riviera concept car. Will it ever have the chance of seeing the light of day in a dealer's showroom? And will Buick ever produce a 2-door car again? I have a 2000 Bonneville, and I have 0 need for the 2 rear doors. The only reason I have it is because I couldn't find a decent supercharged Riv at the time, and I needed a car. The Bonneville has the same drivetrain...just too many doors to keep me overly happy. I too am all by myself on a 60 mile commute 5 days a week. Something sportier would be nice. <!-- /.entry -->

Jake, That IS where Buick is going....high prices. From yesterday's web chat with Tim Lee, group vice president of global manufacturing and labor relations, the following was asked about the future of Buick: [Comment From Lindsay ] Hi Tim - I just wanted to say that I think you and the rest of the team at the New GM are doing a great job. I'm especially excited that you retained the Buick brand as I am a lifelong GM buyer and have my eye on an Enclave. Any new and exciting plans for Buick that you can share with us? Tim Lee: Lindsay, thanks for the question. We are absolutely committed to re-establishing Buick as the preferred premium brand in the US and around the world. I used to be plant manager at Buick City so Buick is near and dear to me. Our VP at Buick Marketing, Susan Docherty is pushing and pushing for a great portfolio. You will like what you see coming into the Buick Showroom. As a test, please go and test drive a new Buick Lacrosse. Preferred premium brand to me says it's top of the line, and that will include prices...unless I'm wrong on the meaning of premium. Add to that the complete loss of the 2 seater. A question was asked about the Solstice/Sky: [Comment From MIke ] Tim & LIndsay...we have an Enclave and absolutely love it!! As well as the Solstice...to bad that went away. Maybe Buick could pick up the Saturn Sky since they have wanted a 2 seater forever. Tim Lee: Mike, sorry but no chance atm. So I took my shot bringing up the fact the Opel line gets the GT across the pond....: [Comment From Dan ] Buick has the Sky already in the form of the Opel GT, why isn't it available in the U.S.? Tim Lee: Dan, neither the Sky nor the Opel GT will appear i the Buick store. Sorry. So, goodbye fun 2 seater for those that wanted one. Might want to go grab one off the lot before their gone. I personally see this as a wrong move. Losing the "excitement" brand and products by Pontiac, and now making Buick the "Premium" line. OK, that may be nice for those swimming in $$ right now, but it's not a good fit in a tight economy. Apparently the premium brand is coming, as evidenced by the new LaCrosse, but at what price? At $38K, I'll jump in a fully loaded Camaro in a heartbeat. Nope, the LaCrosse is off my list of any car that I'd want to own at this point. Looks my Grand Nationals will be my last Buicks that I own. Sad, because I would have liked to have a Blackhawk, or the gullwing Riviera. Oh well, Buick and I will part ways with these moves.

I can guarantee it will run when you finish it. There are enough members here to ensure it will run. And when that day happens, we want to see video of it.

You hit the nail on the head. Happily, Dave Corbin has been able to do that for us. You can do that for those cars that were properly recorded. That's why I said my 82 GN was one to provoke lively discussion. They only recorded the 82 GN's as 215 built since they were all to have a 4.2L normally aspirated motor. Research with Buick revealed they had no idea the turbocharged cars were ever built, because they were not supposed to build them. It would be nice to have a definitive number for these factory "mistakes", but that will never happen unless somebody at Buick recorded the numbers and we just never found that right person. Or do we not count because we weren't counted originally. :confused: Oh the shame of being an un-documented vehicle from the factory.

Rich, You're missing stuff.....like the motor, trans, body, interior. Lotsa stuff. What you do have looks good so far. Oh, does the 2x2 tierods make this a "Woodie"?

Doesn't that qualify as a rat-rod then?:eek:

1976 Oldsmobile Cutlass S - not the Supreme, just the S...Olds guys will know that model. For the time, it was the biggest thing on the lot as everyone else was coming in some little import. They looked at me like I was nuts testing in that car. Aced the test. Parallel parking was a breeze. Was funny to see the little imports failing parallel parking. The 3 point turn was a little tight, but doable.

SOOOO, that's what it is MrEarl has got...... patina....... I guess that's bout all MrEarl has got to say about that..... Are you trying to tell us you've been used alot...kinda like being ridden hard and put away wet?

Get ready for many varying opinions......I'll submit my 1982 Grand National for some heated debate. Being turbocharged when Buick was not supposed to make any turbocharged :eek:, it always sparks some debate.

The Smart Car...what we'll be forced to drive quite soon... But look at all of the 'great new choices' we will have from 'The SMART Car'..... The Smorvette! The Smaudi A3 AWD! The Smamborghini! The Smorsche! The Smorsche Targa! The Smerrari! And last,but not least, The Smustang! :eek:

The whole idea behind this program is to get old cars off the road. SEMA and it's members stepped in and got the rules changed a bit. Unfortunately, this wasn't stopped entirely, but it was at least modified enough to keep from removing a lot of good old iron from the road. We ALL need to keep up on this law, and watch what happens. It doesn't take much to float a new bill to expand the years included, or remove the "must be running" part, or remove the "must be titled and insured for a year" parts. The gov't has it's foot in the door right now.....lets watch this closely to make sure they don't open the flood gates on us. Food for thought: The new law that states you can only paint 2 vehicles a year as a hobbyist, was originally going to be that a hobbyist couldn't paint a vehicle themselves at all. When arguements were heard on this law, there were arguements for the hobbyist to be able to paint a vehicle, and an arguement against the hobbyist painting a vehicle at all. Yes, that against was in the proper singular tense. When the law was signed, and all the discussion was posted on the gov't website, it stated clearly there was 1 opposing view that a hobbyist should not be able to paint a vehicle at all. And the EPA ran with that one person's argument and it had lots of power for a while. Once opposition was made clear, that a hobbyist should be able to work on a car and paint it, the bill was changed to allow 2 vehicles per year. For the want of 1 person, the EPA almost got us all with a law prohibiting our right to paint a car. So, while one voice can make a difference, or a real mess as almost happened with the painting law, many voices can make more of a difference. Just because this program is set to expire later this year, don't let it slide. In PA, we still pay taxes to help recover from the Johnstown flood. Today, July 27, 2009 we still pay this tax, and the Johnstown flood happened on May 31, 1889!!! A perfect example where the foot got in the door, and the rest is not just history, but current news, still.

Another problem with the radiator could be the fins are no longer pulling the heat out of the tubes. The tubes can be clean as a whistle, but if the heat cycling has taken it's toll on the bond between the fins and the tubes, they won't conduct the heat out of the tubes and you'll get this situation. My 86 GN started getting a bit warm like this. Checked and most all of the tubes were flowing, but not all. I decided it was an original rad and should be replaced by a more efficient 4 core unit. When I pulled the rad out, the find were literally falling out of the radiator. They were no longer attached to the tubes. The rad wasn't leaking, but the fins were just weren't connected anymore. A Saturday to recore the rad and I was back in business. Just another item to look at......

I wonder about the originality of it. The listing says V6 turbo. I had an 84 Riv, and it had to be a T-Type to get the turbo. This car does not have certain T-Type elements (wheels, exterior emblems, interior emblems, steering wheel, etc)...and I can't see the motor to even verify it's what should be in there. Just raises questions on the car.

2 words..... Cow Farts!

A word of caution, I've used the Eastwood gold cad stuff before, and I was disappointed. It didn't look anything like what the photos looked like. I would recommend testing it on a part you can afford to "re-do", as it is a multiple step process, and if you don't get one right, the rest just pile up on the previous....and some issues don't really show till later layers are applied. I'd hate to see you mess it up then have to pay somebody to do work again. Good luck, and post more pictures....

Ah, you forget the pre-Y2K days. Back in the old days, when a date was stored with a 2 digit year (to save space), you had to know how to determine if the 2 digit year was to be prefixed with a 19 or 20. So the cutover from 1969 to 1970 was selected. So if you entered 2/3/75 it was determined to be 2/3/1975, but if 2/3/45 was entered, that was interpreted as 2/3/2045. Now we use the 4 digit year and this is no longer an issue. Remember how on 1/1/00 the world was to come to and end, all cars would stop working, all electronics would fail...yadda yadda yadda. Yea, I always loved how my car with a clock that couldn't care if it was 1 am or 1 pm, would fail to work once the year rolled over to 2000. Ah, those were the days.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Thriller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a case where asking permission may have been better than begging forgiveness. </div></div> Asking permission comes at a price...and I'll bet it's one that is far higher than any money collected through cafe press sales. GM licensing is expensive, and it provides GM a means of assuring the items put forth with a GM owned logo are of a quality GM agrees to via channels GM approves of. Although I have seen some real crap get licensed...so the quality control part isn't always the greatest.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barney Eaton</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it is a distributor less car, there is a cam sensor that may have gone bad and the car is running in the "limp home" mode. </div></div> If it is as Barney states, distributorless, the cam sensor could be it. If it's a cam sensor, the car should thow a diagnostic code and the check engine light should be on. Assuming it's a distributorless engine, it also could be a cracked crank sensor. A cracked crank sensor will likely make a ticking noise as the interruptors pass through the vanes of the sensor. It will exhibit these problems you describe. It will eventually break then the car will die and not run at all. Unlike a cam sensor, a cracked crank sensor will only show a code 13 after it's actually broken, and then it's too late to read a code to find this problem. I drove from Pittsburgh to DC on a cracked crank sensor. Mine had the ticking and the dealer said it was the water pump and to drive it till it began leaking. Well, it wasn't the water pump, and it finally broke on the DC loop in a traffic jam leaving me in a real bad spot. Best way to see if it's a crank sensor is by visual inspection. It should be solid and not move. It should also have the clearance of about a matchbook cover between the interruptor vanes and the sensor itself.

He's just making sure you do his car right.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Stoneberg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am copying a letter Bill Darrow sent to all the Board members so you all know what is going on .... This was an issue created by the Crowne Plaza and they were required to resolve it. When the contract was signed they would agree only to block a maximum of 900 room nights. After the 900 room block was filled, they were to refer the overflow to the Double Tree. Frank, just recently learned that they had kept taking reservations (probably padding their income due to slow times), and were up to almost 1600 room nights, and the Double Tree was at 100 room nights, which would have resulted in a very substantial penalty at the Double Tree, as we were required to fill at least 80% of our room block there. This translates to around $65,400 (600 X $109) in lost revenue at the Double Tree. This would have resulted having the BCA on the hook for thousands of dollars, similar to what occurred in Las Vegas a few years ago, where the BCA ended up paying off the hotel. They have now moved more than 600 room nights to the Double Tree, which resolves this issue and limits our liability at the Double Tree. We have made some exceptions for those with medical issues, and these can be resolved through Karen Ayres or Megan Butler, not the Hotel Manager. We have worked from the back of the list, so that made their reservations lately, are the ones that got moved. Price you pay for not doing this earlier. Not sure why someone would make reservations in Denver and drive 80 miles to Colorado Springs. I must be missing some logic. Bill Darrow </div></div> I'll add some food for thought here. As stated above, the Crowne was to "block" a maximum of 900 room nights. From what I know about these type of negotiations, that just means the Crowne will prevent the 900 room nights from being booked by those not stating they are attending the BCA event. So, if another event comes into town, they are free to sell the rest of the hotel, but they will have 900 room nights for the BCA. That also means that after 900 room nights are booked, the Crowne can tell people people they are fully booked at the discounted rate, and may book the room at whatever the prevailing rate is at that time. If they are still booking the discounted rate, that is at their discretion and can stop at any time. Somebody may feel they are doing the club a service by honoring the discounted rate even though they are not obligated to do so. If a contract had not been signed with the DoubleTree, this would be a huge win for those booking after the 900th room night as they are seeing the discount. Maybe the Crowne is just beeing greedy and filling their rooms. That is something to be determined by talking to them in person. As far as the second half of this deal, the referring customers to the DoubleTree, this is where things can get a bit muddy. What does the contract explicitly state? Is there a specific statement that Crowne is to make to all booking calls? Such as "All the blocked rooms have been filled at this hotel, and the BCA respectfully requests that you make your reservation at the DoubleTree". Depending on what is in writing will determine actions taken here. What was actually said to people booking rooms? Were they encouraged to book at the DoubleTree? Did Crowne fulfill what was in writing? If it's not in writing in that contract, then this becomes a mess real fast. What happens when the Crowne refers all bookings over 900 room nights to the DoubleTree, and the DoubleTree books the 600 room nights? Is the DoubleTree required to refer customers back to Crowne? With 1600 room nights booked apready, look at the numbers. If the Crowne books 900, and the DoubleTree books 600, there are 100 room nights that are in excess. What hotel is to get these bookings? Do they go to the Crowne, or the DoubleTree, or are they up for grabs by either hotel? Did anyone ever schedule a meeting with both hotel agents in the same room to work out these arrangements? It sounds like there was a general misunderstanding of how all this will work. This is definitely a lesson learned in how to handle future bookings. As I said, not trying to rock the boat....just adding food for thought. Hopefully in the future this lesson learned has helped any hosting club avoid this same situation.

I don't know if you've ever worked directly with Pete and his staff that assemble the Bugle, but I can attest to this as I have had to work with them. When it comes to professionalism and accomodation, Pete and his staff will bend over backwards to make things work out for everyone involved. My experience was a pleasant one dispite a minor miscommunication via e-mails. A lot of work goes into the Bugle, and the final result shows it. Thank You Pete and to all your staff for producing a fine magazine.

Board meeting report: This issue was brought up at the board meeting. Dan's letter to the club was read and discussed. Apparently Mr Caddy has said the same kinds of things to some of the board members about their cars. One in particular was about a Mopar that had Cragar wheels. Mr Caddy took exception to the Cragars and indicated the car should have stock wheels. I asked privately if the wheels weren't round enough...the board member and I had a good chuckle. The board member also was put off when this happened to him. Apparently he upgraded from 14" stock wheels and hubcaps to Cragars when he lost 2 hubcaps one day, and the only replacements he could find were repro's at over $200 each. For that price for a hubcap, he just went and got 4 new wheels that eliminate the lost hubcap problem. The discussion was good and several comments were made. One was made by the president (everyone in attendance agreed) that no matter what, it's not right to tear apart somebody's car like what happened here. The club was founded on the principle of a love of cars and you don't even have to own a car to belong to the club. There was much discussion of how to address the issue, and it was decided that a member would write an article on car cruise / show etiquette for the newsletter. Hopefully puting it in print would make folks think twice before saying something that may be inappropriate. Also the hope is other clubs will also publish the article in their newsletters. Several other things were mentioned, and I'll pass these along privately to Dan at our next club meeting. *** shameless plug *** Wednesday June 10th, Bob Evans in Bridgeville PA 7:30 pm - open to anyone interested in the club. Discussion of the Carfest event at BeaveRun and the BuddBaer show in Washington PA. *** end of shameless plug *** Once the article is written, I'll see if I can get permission to post it here. It would be nice if this bad experience would result in some education for others.