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You are correct it's not a sport sedan. RM sold a very nice DV-32 Sport Sedan, I believe the correct term is "hollywood sport sedan" at Arizona 4 or 5 years ago. It's pictured in the Stutz book. I believe the car is in Indy now.

It is true that 10 or 15 years ago they were more valuable then gold. Anyone that has walked past the rows of empty spaces and parked cars in the chocolate field can attest to that not being the case anymore. Post a request here and I'm sure someone will PM you with a spot.

Nice car. Good for you.

There are a bunch of debatable pre-war cars on the list, but going to post-war is just way out of bounds. It really opens a can of worms. I would agree with a previous poster who suggested freezing the list and only allowing individual applications for cars with custom bodies.

If you have what you consider a rare part, identify it correctly, take a lot of pictures with a detailed description and then list it on eBay for a million dollars what's wrong with that? Maybe it's the original data plate to the one of the Bugatti Royales? Who is to say what it's worth but you, the owner and somebody willing to buy it. It's just supply and demand - capitalism - the ONLY system that will work efficiently over time. What IS unethical is purposely misleading someone so they pay more for something thinking it's something else or in better condition then what it really is.

Here is the link.

A couple of years ago Hyman Ltd had a unrestored dupont sedan for sale. It was mostly complete and not crazy money as I recall.

I knew the 70 dollar an hour figure was the fully loaded number not the "cash" compensation. I also assumed they were throwing in the legacy health costs so I learned nothing new from this. No matter how you cut it those costs are strangling the companies. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave@Moon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alsancle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1937hd45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Run the numbers, what does the guy screwing the left front fender on a GM product take home per year. Be sure to dial in EVERY benifit he/she gets. GOOD used 2 year old cars vs. new is another reason. GROSSLY overpaid CEO's that are clueless is another. </div></div> Bob I knew there was a reason I liked you - we basically think exactly alike. GM is carrying 10 people on it's health plan for every one it employs. The fully loaded compensation for it's workers is crazy. You need to talk about pension, health, vacation, sick, disability as well as salary when you talk compensation. The boobs running the company are also an issue of course. </div></div> Read this: $73 an Hour: Adding It Up (New York Times Business Section, 12/9/2008). Pay special attention to the graphic figure comparison in the article (expanded in this link). </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1937hd45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Run the numbers, what does the guy screwing the left front fender on a GM product take home per year. Be sure to dial in EVERY benifit he/she gets. GOOD used 2 year old cars vs. new is another reason. GROSSLY overpaid CEO's that are clueless is another. </div></div> Bob I knew there was a reason I liked you - we basically think exactly alike. GM is carrying 10 people on it's health plan for every one it employs. The fully loaded compensation for it's workers is crazy. You need to talk about pension, health, vacation, sick, disability as well as salary when you talk compensation. The boobs running the company are also an issue of course.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Restorer32</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what happened to the Isotta Touring belonging to Bob Rook (spelling?)from NJ. Did a bit of work on it sometime in the '80s but haven't seen it since. Light blue with dark blue trim as I remember. We built a set of touring top irons for the car as well as irons for the "cape" top. Was the restoration ever completed? Haven't seen it in any AACA or CCCA events or publications since. </div></div> Was it a Lebaron body with rear mounted spares?

West, I believe it was simply sandblasted and painted with high temp paint. A.J.

I'm about 98% sure that there is no way to get factory documentation on your car unless that documentation was passed along with the car from when it was new. There are no factory records stored away somewhere (like with 60s fords and pontiacs) that you can get.

Issota Fraschini are great cars. Side by side they are just as big and cool as a Duesenberg and go for about 1/3 the money.

I was sitting at lunch yesterday at a table in a small diner with 3 other CCCA members. A couple of 40 year olds, a 70 year old and a 80 year old. We were unanimous in our dislike for the Town and Country decision. All four of us also have non-CCCA cars, I'm into Musclecars, one of the others has hot rods, another guy is into vintage racing and the last guy has some very nice 50s cars (some of which are much more valuable then most CCCA cars). So we all had broad interests, a 40 year age spectrum and differing pocketbooks. Yet we all completely understood and agreed the CCCA should stay focused on it's mission.

I'm going to guess 37/39 SW38.

Thanks. I see that RM published their full results today: 2009 RM Arizona results.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DriveAG2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I could not disagree more. I have seen many ads stating that a car is recognized by the CCCA in an attempt to add lustre to the car. </div></div> People selling their cars mention the CCCA recognition because it means the potential buyer will own a car he/she can bring to CCCA events. That is a selling point to some people. Does it bother you that the CCCA recognition may add luster to a car? Why would you care one way or the other?

What was the price?

Anybody go yesterday? RM probably won't post their results until Monday. I've watched a bit of BJ and it doesn't look like stuff is being given away.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1937hd45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the car is FREE, and you value your labor at half minimum wage you might reap a profit. Buyin and flipping with no work is the way to make a buck on cars and related parts. </div></div> I would second this times 10. Buying and flipping isn't that easy either.

Dave, There is a difference between a great car and a classic as defined by the CCCA. Most classics are great cars but not all great cars are classics. That is the case with the T&C - a great car but certainly no classic. In an era were all standards are being eroded to basically make as many people happy as possible I hope the CCCA can maintain theirs. A.J.

I guess it seems pretty simple to me. The 6 cylinder 320 Mercedes cost roughly 6500.00 dollars delivered in NY circa 1938. That was a lot of money at the time and I think makes it pretty easy to identify that model as a classic. Was there a U.S. manufacturer with a 6 cylinder car that even cost 1/2 that much at the time? Personally, I would be for freezing the accepted list as far as model lines go and then allow individual non-accepted cars with custom bodies in by application.

Restoring cars is a very tough way to make a living. 95% of the time a full restoration on a free car still puts the owner underwater. To say it another way, take any car that's not one of 2% most desirable and the cost of restoration is always more then the final value of the car. What that means is that the owner, often not knowing any better, is going to gradually realize they are burning money and it tends to put them in a bad mood - which they take out on the restorer.

35/36 Horch.

There is a difference between bankruptcy and deciding not to sell cars anymore. Graham is still in business under a different name. Auburn Cord Duesenberg simply stopped building cars.