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Speaking of the 230 Model. My dad owned a 230N beetle back racer in the 1950s. I think I must have posted pictures in this thread somewhere. It had a HUGE gas tank and twin carbs. Anways, we found this Solex carb (3 bolt) in the garage and will be bringing it to Hershey. Henry thinks it is 230 MB. Does anybody else have any comments?

I heard from Henry Magno the resident prewar 320/230 Mercedes expert and he said that 4 bolt could be 320 MB and 3 bolt 230. Since my dad owned a 230N racer in the 1950s it is possible that this is where that carb came from.

Dav, I don't think those two are the same, are they?

I think it was this Cab B. Prices are up but this is a tough car to dump money into.

I'm all for 4 speeds over automatics but it is not worth the effort. Sell the car you have and find one with a factory 4 gear.

I have always wondered why Rollston had nary a bad looking design while Rollson went "high hat" with almost all their bodies.

That would be a good excuse but actually a graham and a reo royale .

Stutz project is going slow Bob. Engine got pulled back out into the shop I understand and doesn't need much to finish so hopefully soon. Once it is running things will move along again. I have gotten side tracked on some other cars like an idiot.

We are bringing this to Hershey. Another carb my dad has had sitting on a shelf for 40 or 50 years. Any ideas what it might go on?

I have been told that solid brass usually means marine so perhaps that is what the OO-2 is for. Here are a couple of more of the UUR-2. It has a 3 inch throat and Ed Minnie is saying it is not Pierce.

Must have been a very recent episode? Can't find any internet references to it.

I think the key to a car like this is that you can clean it up and drive it with a reasonable amount of mechanical work. If you try to paint it and do the interior/chrome you are screwed even if the car is free.

Thanks for all the feedback. I'll take some better pictures and post them. You make a good point subtle differences between carbs. I know that the small 1 3/8 stamp on the side of a EX22 is the difference between a 1k carb and a 3k carb. Whoever buys these at Hershey will have them in their hands so hopefully no mistakes. Btw, any idea what a OO-22 goes on?

We have this beveled glass rear window for a prewar car. It has a Johnson logo on it. Trimmed in wood which I have not seen much of. Any idea what it goes on?

We have three that we were planning on bringing to Hershey See pictures below. Any ideas as to what they go on? 1. UUR-2 All Brass 2. OO-2 updraft 3. Downdraft EE-22

Yes, 180 convertible sedans are NOT plentiful. Price guides are absolutely worthless unless you are talking about a high volume car that sells publicly often. Post some better pictures and I'm sure you will get a good idea of value. Also, does it run?

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That would look good in a Caribbean.

I was thinking about painting the weight covers black. The chrome will hold up forever unless you are driving in the winter .

Nice work!

That is not a bad price. I think my plan of having a painted set and a chrome set will need to pass as I have other issues to deal with. The problem with the original set of wheels is that I know of at least one set on a 540k (original) where you could not take the car over 30mph because the wheels had gone out of round. I have never hear of that before but it was an issue with this particular car which now has a new set of wheels on it.

Wheels look good. I of course like your tire selection. Remind me again how much those go for?

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Reo used off the shelf hardware so I think that clip should be shared across other makes. Jean never mentioned 8-31 or 8-35 and I think it makes a difference.

I'll say 38 Ford but maybe 37 or 39?