RockinRiviDad
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I’m no mechanic like some of these guys. So please correct me if I’m wrong.
When I researched wheel alignment details for my 65 I was told to have the shop give me as much caster as possible. The shop couldn’t give me as much as I had hoped for. But they did said that the only way to get more caster would be to have a machine shop cut more threads into my brake reaction bars (strut rods).
So, if that’s true, maybe u can add that to your list haha
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Ok…thx for the info
So the names to look for for a heavy duty relay are:
GM
AC DELCO
STANDARD
RY8
NOT 4 Seasons
are there any others? We may as well list them all to avoid buying crap like I just did. Unless I’m the only one that is good at taking “one step forward, two steps backward” then please delete the post mods
EDIT: ok…cool…now I don’t feel as bad for buying the 4 Seasons brand. Thx Winston
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30 minutes ago, RivNut said:
Artex Wells part number 1R1216, or Standard part number RY8.
Both cross reference ACDelco 15-8172. $6 from RockAuto
Thx for the reference numbers. But I don’t see those numbers on my box or on the relay…
2 minutes ago, Seafoam65 said:I can't say how heavy duty these relays you bought are, but the diagram on the side of your new relay indicates that is wired correctly internally
so it will work. I doubt the relay is as heavy duty as the GM relay but give it a whirl and see how it does.
Thx. I will roll the dice. I’ve gotten good at that haha.
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I was happy I stumbled across this thread until I started trying to find these GM/AC DELCO relays. Then I realized that this thread is 3 years old ?. Did U guys buy them all? haha
So I scrambled to find these relays online while at work & had no luck. My plan was to stop at my local GM dealership parts department on my way home.
Then my super computer savy coworker jumped on the net to help me & finds some in NY! I’m in Cali haha…whatever. So I order 4 of them at $8 each.
They got here today & they look right. But the paperwork says nothing of the part number I order. No where does it say GM #1365166 or AC DELCO 15-8172. Lemme guess…is this one of those Chinese made repop’s?
Is this common? How can I ensure that this relay is correct?
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This is awesome info!! Thank you Winston!!
Why hasn’t this thread become a ‘sticky’ or whatever they call here. Can’t one of the moderators make this stay on top?
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That looks cool. What is even cooler is that flag on your antenna. Thx for that. Great idea. Where’s my flag…
Today’s world sure has funny views on Old Glory.
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Any new news? Can u post a pic. I’d like to see what a Riv with halos
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18 hours ago, 1965rivgs said:
Good post!
The new fan clutch would roar for about 5 minutes when starting cold in the morning
I found was a footnote which stated the replacement fan clutches had been re-engineered for Chevy truck applications to be engaged for a short period of time at cold startup!
Thank u...That Hayden link I posted has some interesting details to go with the ‘footnote’ you shared. It talks about why/how u were experiencing the cold morning clutch engagement. Hope u like
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On 4/30/2018 at 8:14 PM, slosteve said:
Care to share the Brand name & part #, David.
Same part number Tony posted. I was told Murrey parts are the same as Hayden…whatever…just gimme the correct part dammit!! Just kidding haha
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On 4/28/2018 at 9:09 PM, arnulfo de l.a. said:
Man that engine sure looks good david !
Thank u Arnulfo...I have a couple of quirks to sort out with my EFI...then I plan to come see u so we can finally race...oh, I mean cruise our Riv’s haha
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On 4/28/2018 at 4:27 PM, RivNut said:
If yours is howling, it's bad.
My HD fan clutch was NOT “bad”. It was simply the wrong fan clutch for our Riv’s. U can read all about it in the link below.
It shouldn't howl until the temperature behind the radiator engages the thermal clutch.
My engine temps hover at the same temps that these fan clutches are set at. Then they run at ALMOST a 1:1 ratio. So yea, my howl was pretty much constant
Hopefully you're using the five blade fan that came originally.
Yes I am running a stock five blade fan. I borrowed it from my buddy’s 64 Riv until I replace it
http://www.haydenauto.com/upload/HaydenAuto/Documents/Cat_Hayden/2007-hayden-fan-clutch.pdf
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On 3/8/2018 at 6:02 AM, pyntre said:
What would you say the weight difference is between the original and the aluminum?
Sorry...missed this Q...
the weight difference was not a factor in my purchase. I did not even think about that. Wish I would have. That would be a nice detail to know.
A detail I do have to share is that this radiator took a little more effort to get it to fit than I had expected. It is suppose to be a “direct replacement.” We all know how that goes right haha. The rubber pads that cradle the lower tank had been purchased new months ago. They worked great with my original radiator because the indentations on the lower tank lined up with the rubber pads making easy to slip my old radiator over the rubber pads. Not the case with the new radiator. The indentation on passenger side was right but not the one on driver side.
Solution was to remove pads & take them to my grinder. I took a little bit of rubber off at a time (10-15 times haha) test fitting them each time until I got them thin enough.
Small problem number 2 was the brass fittings on the lower tank (see pic in post #283) which my original tank doesn’t have. They are about 1” which is a hinder when trying to fit my original tranny lines. Driver side tranny line only needed a little persuasion. Not the case for the passenger side tranny line. It is shorter, very rigid & difficult to adjust for that 1” adaptor. I had to disconnect both lines from the cross member mount & used my line bender to reshape the existing bends.
Worked out great overall. Cooling seems good. Temps hover around 160-180
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Post #283 I mentioned I bought the components I needed to get my car back on the road. In that list of parts I bought a heavy duty fan clutch…
When test driving my car a bit with all these new parts (wheels, tires, posi, water pump, fan, HD fan clutch, EFI) I thought I did something wrong. My engine sounded crazy loud as if my RPM were too high while driving. Did I screw up on the posi ratio? Was it the 1/2” taller tire? Was it my EFI?
It turns out it was my damn HD fan clutch!! ??♂️ they do NOT belong on our Nailheads. I bet u guys knew that huh? U just wanted me to watch me squirm a little right? ?
Live & learn…HD fan clutches run at 80-90% of shaft speed. That’s almost 1:1 ?…that was the loud noise I was hearing. It was loud. Really loud. It caused me to think I was gonna break something.
Not sure why. But it wasnt easy trying to find a standard duty fan clutch. All the local jobbers said all their PC’s & books called for an HD one? Huh? Luckily one guy crossed referenced parts numbers & BINGO! Standard fan clutch has my Nailhead purring soooo nicely
HD on the left, standard on the right
Post #295 I stated my RPM range at 65-70 mph was 2000-2300. That was wrong. I will go back & edit that. I am actually at 2600-2900 RPM’s @ 65-70 mph.
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Apologies for the crappy lighting.
I only had 900 miles on my car before breaking it again & I noticed it was hard to keep things clean. Especially, the polished aluminum. I decided I hated the polished timing chain cover & water pump.
I also noticed oil seeping out of the front main seal. Wha tha heck?!?! It’s a new engine.
So I pulled the cover, scuffed & painted both the new pump & timing chain cover. Now u can see my nice hardware kit.
As for the oil seepage. I found that the machine shop whom I paid lots of $$ to to rebuild my engine used the old rope style front main seal. Not a big deal right? Until they decided to leave my oil sligger out…???☹️…never a dull moment in this journey…
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Lots has happened in a relatively short amount of time. I’ll start with my tire selection.
My car is finally back on the road & I placed the call for my wider tires to accommodate my wider wheels.
IMO, I nailed the fitment this time. The size was a bit intimidating. But I made them work with the help of a 1/4” spacer.
These meats sure help my posi
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That’s interesting. I’m curious to hear what your book says about posi’s for our first-gens. I would have to guess your book won’t help. According to the feedback I’ve gotten throughout the years, we just CANT ‘convert’ our open diff’s
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Not sure if Bernie still comes around. But he hit the nail on the head in post number 3-4 of this build thread.
My kid helped me installed my posi. That 100 pound posi is no joke when trying to install it while lying on your back. Now that’s a reality show that needs to be made ?.
Dammit!! I shoulda snapped a pic of my kid installing the axles. Oh well, him torquing the wheel bearing retainers will have to do haha
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On 4/8/2018 at 2:19 PM, pyntre said:
Now that’s a chunk of good old American steel !!!!!! Tires be very very afraid !!!!!
I am excited haha. I put the 235’s i had on my 8” wheel on my new 9.5” rear wheels. The 235’s are not wide enough. I can see they are stretched & it looks funny. May have to sacrifice them for the sake of ‘testing’ out my new posi ?
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Just a thought: I bought a new heavy duty fan clutch. It came with a brass collar/sleeve that slips over the water pump snot to take up any slop in certain applications. My old one didn’t have this. The instructions state that if this collar/sleeve is not used to take up said slop then a serious vibration may occur.
Hope your issue is that simple.
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On 4/9/2018 at 9:19 AM, RivNut said:
You're one of the lucky ones. As his website states 'Posi's, I get them from time to time, call'
Yea, I should buy a lotto tic huh? I never saw that. I simply called & it worked out.
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I’ve had my car since I was a kid. Since then I’ve always looked for an alternative to adding positraction to my existing third member. NO ONE makes “new or reproduction parts” for our third member posi’s. I’m no mechanic by any means. But I think we can all agree that our third member posi’s are part of our driveline right? Well I finally ponied up & bought a posi. Guess from who? Yup...good ole Russ Martin
Call me old school...even tho I’m not very old...but I am a “pick up the phone, say hello & ask” kind of guy.
Websites are nice. But most guys in our hobby have hands in all sorts of things. Or can least point u in the right direction. So you never know who has what until we ask.
Internet is awesome. But let’s get back to using the phone more often. No more judging books by the cover...or by the website in this case
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OP’s profile shows he’s in Spokane Wa. So I only suggested the closest contact to him that I know which is Russ. That’s how I’d roll.
There are tons of resources for new/used parts now. I’m sure there might be someone closer to Spokane than Russ.
This is forum is a good place to start Zach
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If I haven’t said already, I’ll say it again, I am OVER trying to get my bodywork done!!
Money saved for bodywork is now going towards performance GOODIES!! ?
Woo whoo!! Finally got a posi!! No more one wheel squeal haha
U can see the number stamping. Divide the 43 (number of teeth on the ring gear) by 12 (number of teeth on the pinion gear & wha-lah! 3:23 posi!!
IMO, this is a great ‘in between’ ratio. I currently have the open 3:23 & I was clocking 2000-2300 RPM’s at 65-70 mph with my TH400. That’s not too bad. Works for me. & I still haven’t even got my Switch Pitch to work. That might help right?
I don’t plan on driving this car cross country. But I bet this ratio would do fine if I did. Not too aggressive like the 3:42 & not too mild like the 3:07.
edit: RPM’s are clocking at 2600-2900 @ 65-75 mph NOT 2000-2300
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Try Russ Martin at Centerville Auto. He’s in NoCal. Look him up. Cool website, lots of parts.
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My 65, another build to follow
in Buick Riviera
Posted · Edited by RockinRiviDad (see edit history)
Once again, a lot has happened in a relatively short amount of time.
I was excited to learn that some car shows have an “under construction” category. So...wha tha heck...I decided to enter my car. That lit a fire under my butt & I began to pull parts out of the shed. Ready or not a lot of parts found their way back onto my car haha.
Starting with my rebuilt headlight motor which I purchased from an ROA member, Steve Lorenzen from Indiana (eBay store username: Fostermom1962). I posted a pic of the motor in Post #67 of this build thread. That was almost 5 years ago ?. I bench tested the motor back then & it worked fine. Benched tested it again before installation & guess what...yep...as my luck would have it, the motor didn’t work ?. Luckily, I was able to contact Steve, he remembered me & without hesitation he honored his work asking me to send it to him for him to go thru it. I was so happy, I offered to pay for shipping both ways. He wasn’t having it, he said he would take care of it. Shipped from Cali to Indiana plus the time he needed to go thru it was all less than 8 days...blew my mind haha. He sells Rivi parts on eBay. So lets help a brother out haha
Then the fun began...with headlight motor working I tried to install it & quickly learned that my linkage arms were distorted/bent. In all the years I have had this car I never had a motor to hook the arms to. The arms just always hung there. When I dismantled the car for the resto the arms were tossed into a large milk crate type bin. Not sure if the arms were bent by P.O. or by me being careless & letting the arms hang from my car. Once I sorted that out by reshaping (that is putting it kindly) both arms & welding a crack in one arm it turned out that the mounting bracket (not the side support bracket) was not at the 90 degree angle it needed to be. I couldn’t get my lower bumper back on. The headlight motor was leaning too far forward. So I had to remove the motor, remove the bracket & bend it in my vise. Now, I couldn’t be happier.
I did find myself in a bit of despair during this process. I mean...it only took 4 days to do a task that shoulda only taken 4 hours...tops. So I turned to our brother Winston (Seafoam) for some direction. Look out fella’s...I’m on a roll, I’m making this car beautiful again & I have no clue on what I’m doing haha. So any one of u may be getting a phone call from me next haha
in all seriousness...THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP STEVE LORENZEN & WINSTON!!! U guys rock!!!
stay tuned for more haha