Lahti35 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Recently in my search for a late teens-early 20's touring car I ran across a '23 Hupp touring car. It looks like an older restoration. It has a 4 cylinder engine in it and I was just wondering how reliable these are assuming its in good working order to begin with. That and if any parts are available (clutch, rings, spark plugs...) for a rebuild if needed down the road. I figure cruising speed is most likely 35mph... is that close to actual? I was considering a model T so how do they stack up against one of those? Thanks guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Ok, My friend from the Hupp club, Bill Shift drove a 1923 Model R touring from Hurly N.Y. to San Francisco and back. and yes to the speed but do not be afraid to step up to 40 once in a while. Shifting is also easier than the other car you mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Oh, and buy the way we have a great Hupp club an tec. guys that help the members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahti35 Posted May 21, 2018 Author Share Posted May 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Hupp36 said: Ok, My friend from the Hupp club, Bill Shift drove a 1923 Model R touring from Hurly N.Y. to San Francisco and back. and yes to the speed but do not be afraid to step up to 40 once in a while. Shifting is also easier than the other car you mentioned. I'd say that's a ringing endorsement... The car I'm looking at is am older restoration, looks 99% complete except for missing the saddle irons for the top... It has wood wheels which I'm not a hug fan of... is it possible to switch to disc wheels? I've seen some with disc wheels so it must have been an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Yes, the disc wheels were an option. You can put them on a wood wheel car but you have to use the hubs that the disc wheels are on. The wood wheels have the hubs built in. They used hickory wood for the wheels and if the wood is in good order they are very trust worthy. My 1924 R sedan has wood wheels and they are fine. I also have a 23 R speedster with disc wheels but its not running at this time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahti35 Posted May 21, 2018 Author Share Posted May 21, 2018 I'm going to check out the car Wednesday after work so we'll see what happens... I can see it has some handy man repairs that would need to be corrected, but I think it would be a nice car to re-restore with minimal difficulty. Is there a website of mailing address for the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huptoy Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 You can find the club webpage at: http://clubs.hemmings.com/hupmobile/ To join, go to the tab MEMBERS. June 3rd thru the 7th our yearly Hupmobile Club tour and this year we will be at Staunton VA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1910Hupp Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 The 23 Hupmobile is a generation ahead of the Model T in development and it shows . I have owned and driven extensively a 1913 T Mine was really reliable but had no water pump No oil pump and of course the planetary transmission . Interestingly comparing the T to my Model 20 Hupmobile it was the T that was the generation ahead (detachable cylinder head , Advance and retard on the ignition , Proper radiator fan , Flywheel at the back of the engine etc) I consider the Model 20 to be more akin to the Ford Model S even looking a bit like it -Not really a surprise as Bobby Hupp worked for Ford prior to setting up his own company. Despite the T's advantages over the Hup 20 to me it was a little soul less and when I chose to rationalise my veteran collection it was the T that went -Karl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1909schacht Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 22 Hupp with disc wheels listed on ebay ending soon ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lump Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 I have a 1923 Hupp Model R touring car right now, which has been in my family for well over 50 years. We have driven it all over the state of Ohio, and into neighboring states. It is comfortable at 55 mph, and will run faster, but seems to be straining a bit. Thus, we keep it at 55. We have rarely had a total breakdown, other than tire troubles. The biggest problem we have faced with reliability has been rust in the gas tank, which we finally fixed by putting a new, hand fabricated tank in place. The wood spoke wheels have never given us any trouble. Our Hupp is getting old now, and needing attention, but still keeps on ticking, and keeps on making our family smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahti35 Posted June 4, 2018 Author Share Posted June 4, 2018 On 5/28/2018 at 7:50 PM, 1909schacht said: 22 Hupp with disc wheels listed on ebay ending soon ! I never found it on ebay..... must have been hiding good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 With 1 day to go the bid was $5600, I did not see what it sold for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1909schacht Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Had to re list, last buyer backed out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz68 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Hupp drives like regular car model T is unique and takes some time to learn Speeds about same Parts are easier with the T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1910Hupp Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) Either my T was a rocket ship or my Hupmobile has something wrong with it My T was good for 45 mph the Hupmobile is only good for about 35 mph . The Hup Club guru on Model 20's Bill Cuthbert told me 35 mph is a good one . Were you really notice the difference is hill climbing when the T has much more slugging power . The interesting thing with the Hupmobile is that it is fixed ignition and the timing as set up by the instruction manual is retarded after TDC . No kick back but must limit top end speed Having said that I have played with variable ignition and didn't seem to gain much from it -Karl Edited January 19, 2019 by 1910Hupp (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 In 1995 we had a Hupp tour starting in Finley Ohio. Granted its kind of flat in that part of the USA. Ed Kiely was driving his 1909 Hupp model 20. I had on a few different days followed Ed in our 1936 Hupp N 8cyl with factory overdrive. At times on straight and level roads he would be doing between 45 and 50 mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1910Hupp Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 2:56 AM, Hupp36 said: In 1995 we had a Hupp tour starting in Finley Ohio. Granted its kind of flat in that part of the USA. Ed Kiely was driving his 1909 Hupp model 20. I had on a few different days followed Ed in our 1936 Hupp N 8cyl with factory overdrive. At times on straight and level roads he would be doing between 45 and 50 mph. Interesting I once read something that said the Hupp was rated at 50mph when sold but no one had ever seen one go that fast except on a trailer ( I just thought Hupmoble was using a bit of advertising license, as they did with the model 20 when really only 16.9 Hp! ) Edgar Bowen and David both have or had Hupps that would do these speeds . But it would appear that most of us don't- I have seen 46 mph on my speedo but that is downhill and was pretty scary . I have a theory that timing as mentioned and also valve clearance may be relevant - Edgar certainly set his valve clearance a lot wider than I do-He may have had a high lift cam -Unfortunately Edgar is no longer with us to ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Well Ed was a master when it came to tuning a Hupp 20. I watched him start his car after we had a stop for lunch or ice cream and did it in 1 pull of the crank and it was running. I sure do miss seeing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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