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  1. I finally got the time to remove the engine . I had further diagnosed the noise and as it was at engine speed I had ruled out the timing gear I was expecting a big end or worse still a broken crank . Neither of these fortunately -The insides of the engine look great apart from slightly more backlash between the cam and crank gear than I would like. The problem is a loose flywheel . Should be a relatively easy fix -Karl
  2. Interesting I once read something that said the Hupp was rated at 50mph when sold but no one had ever seen one go that fast except on a trailer ( I just thought Hupmoble was using a bit of advertising license, as they did with the model 20 when really only 16.9 Hp! ) Edgar Bowen and David both have or had Hupps that would do these speeds . But it would appear that most of us don't- I have seen 46 mph on my speedo but that is downhill and was pretty scary . I have a theory that timing as mentioned and also valve clearance may be relevant - Edgar certainly set his valve clearance a lot wider than I do-He may have had a high lift cam -Unfortunately Edgar is no longer with us to ask
  3. Either my T was a rocket ship or my Hupmobile has something wrong with it My T was good for 45 mph the Hupmobile is only good for about 35 mph . The Hup Club guru on Model 20's Bill Cuthbert told me 35 mph is a good one . Were you really notice the difference is hill climbing when the T has much more slugging power . The interesting thing with the Hupmobile is that it is fixed ignition and the timing as set up by the instruction manual is retarded after TDC . No kick back but must limit top end speed Having said that I have played with variable ignition and didn't seem to gain much from it -Karl
  4. Its a DU4 CCW (counter clockwise rotation -ie the rarer one) Originally had fixed ignition -I have variable advance and retard on mine but tend to leave it alone as the gains from fiddling with it are minimal in my experience Karl
  5. 1910Hupp

    New to Hupp 20

    Interesting the carb looks like it is a Breeze which is the correct make but it is not the correct model for the car. I think this is the Model that Breeze produced before the H3 used on the Model 20. Doesn't really matter they come with all sorts of carbs. I have the correct Breeze on my car but when I got it it was running a Model NH Holley on a butchered manifold. The NH was to big for the little Hupp engine so idle wasn't as smooth as I would like but top end speed was really good -Now I have the reverse with the original carb Idle is great but top end speed is about 35 mph. I've run both Model T's and my Hup. The Hup is a fine little car and I think probably equivalent to a Ford Model R or S in terms of overall performance and usability. The T is more advanced and not quite as fragile it also has the advantage that parts are a lot easier to find . However I consider the T a little lacking in soul compared with the Hupmobile . I weighed all this up and sold the 1913 T -I miss it for Touring but realistically how many serious tours do we do in a 105 year old car ? Most of my running is round town and the Hup is fine for that - Karl
  6. Like all things to do with our cars people with the skill to fix the magneto are becoming a rare breed-However they are out there. If needed we can use my guy but being based 12000 miles away makes this uneconomic for you. People who restore antique stationery engines or early aircraft normally have contacts who can do it for you . They aren't that difficult but a lot easier to work on with the correct tools . Fortunately the DU4 is pretty common ( if not in our anticlockwise rotation) so info is out there if you want to have a go-Karl
  7. I don't have a spare exhaust manifold but what I do have is all the patterns to cast one . The previous owner of my car cast mine when he restored the car and I ended up with the patterns . If you can't find one then I could explore what it would cost to get one cast locally. I suspect should be reasonable as most of the money goes in making the patterns which we already have -Karl
  8. Simon First of all the clutch actuation rod I think has to much play in it This will mean the clutch is not engaging fully Secondly what oil do you have in the gearbox ? - Should be engine oil -the multiple discs in the clutch have to separate and the wrong thickness of oil makes this impossible . Nice last couple of days in Melbourne ! Enjoyed some nice wine tasting in the Yarra valley . Some amazing Shiraz/Syrah ( some bottles of which will cross the Tasman home with me ) However I still believe New Zealand makes the better Sauv Blancs and Pinot Noirs- but maybe I'm just used to our style -Karl
  9. Simon - Will be in Melbourne the week of of the cup Having a break over there with friends . I believe my car is one of the so called Christchurch Six . 500 Model 20's came to New Zealand in 1910 so although not many complete cars there were lots of parts around. In the 1980's a group of guys in Christchurch pooled all their parts together and there was enough parts to make 6 cars. At the moment my car is laid up with an ominous rattle on start up and shut down . I suspect a loose timing gear on the end of the camshaft . When I get back form Melbourne I have a further 2 weeks of work and I will get into the engine then .
  10. Where about's are you in Oz? As David says the shape of the gas tank and other features suggests more likely 1910 Not that it matters much . Down this part of the world the chances of finding a 110 year old car that has not been messed with are very slim. Yours has been messed with a lot less than some . Mine came with the butchered inlet manifold and a Holley NH carb. I converted it back to the Breeze with a manifold that came out of the States . Is now original but sometimes I wonder if was the right thing to do . The Holley NH is designed for the larger Model T engine which means the carb airflow is to large for the Hupmobile engine - The result was a slightly erratic idle but great pick up and top end speed . My car idles well now but pick up/ top end speed has taken a slight hit -significant when you are playing with only 35mph to 40mph . I have heard stories of 50mph but even the guru of Model 20's Bill Cuthbert says that any thing that can get over 30 mph on the flat is a good one . The Breeze is also a little tricky to restore -Both Phil and I sent ours to someone in Montana who did a great job of restoring them The Hup is fun to drive They can and did do large mileages in the day - Karl
  11. Phil - I suspect that it is not getting enough air . The air valve was designed to feed more air at speed in response to the vacuum signal . The Venturi feeds too much fuel and not enough air at open throttle and the air valve is designed to correct this . Try backing off the air valve spring a little -Karl
  12. I find that I am virtually stopped when I go into 1st Double declutch and it seems to snick in nicely . Unfortunately the Hupp is inactive currently . An ominous rattle when I start it up and when I shut it down . I suspect the timing gear is loose but will need to investigate further when I get time -Karl
  13. Sorry I don't have any spares -I did have another original owners manual but David ended up with that I can copy anything you want -Karl
  14. The 23 Hupmobile is a generation ahead of the Model T in development and it shows . I have owned and driven extensively a 1913 T Mine was really reliable but had no water pump No oil pump and of course the planetary transmission . Interestingly comparing the T to my Model 20 Hupmobile it was the T that was the generation ahead (detachable cylinder head , Advance and retard on the ignition , Proper radiator fan , Flywheel at the back of the engine etc) I consider the Model 20 to be more akin to the Ford Model S even looking a bit like it -Not really a surprise as Bobby Hupp worked for Ford prior to setting up his own company. Despite the T's advantages over the Hup 20 to me it was a little soul less and when I chose to rationalise my veteran collection it was the T that went -Karl
  15. All the best Mine all came off Ebay but has taken at least 10 years to build up the collection. Virtually nothing is available in New Zealand Karl