bobs1916 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 My 1918 GMC 3/4 ton truck has Baker wheels. They were in an unrestorable state when found but I have secured rims and enough parts to have the wheels remade. My question is when the tire has been mounted on the rim is there a piece that locks the rim together . I did find a pretty rusted out rectangular piece of steel that had the 4 holes in it. I have recreated it and I believe that this is how the rim is stabilized as it is placed upon the wheel. Well am I correct in this theory? Ignore the valve stem It is simply holding it all securely so as not to come apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaw Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) Yup, you are correct. But IMO, that rim is really too corroded to use. Edited July 7, 2022 by Mark Shaw (see edit history) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) I don't belive Baker used a plate like that. I have a rim parts catalog that shows many rim small parts, drive plates, latches , lots and lots of things other than the actual rims. But no plate like you have made. But the one brand that isn't covered all that well in the catalog is Baker. I have a few Baker wheels and rims and those 4 pins just seem to engage into holes in the metal felloe band. I think a plate like you have made would make it difficult to center the rim on the wheel. Not by a lot , just the thickness of the plate. My guess is that it is important for the pins to have as much depth of insertion into the wheel as possible. Once mounted on the wheel it is impossible for the rim to seperate at the split anyway. the felloe band does just as good a job of keeping the ends together as your plate will. But Mark has a lot more experence with Baker rims { early teens Buicks } than I do so I would expect if he says there should be a plate there most likely should be one. Do they show up in Buick parts books ? I don't have any old enough to show Baker stuff. Just cage valve 6's and newer. Edited July 7, 2022 by 1912Staver (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 I had a closer look at the Baker rims and wheels I have. There are " bumps ' pressed into the rim and felloe band to space the rim away from the felloe and ensure the rim mounts concentric with the wheel. Easily enough room for the plate as you have made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobs1916 Posted July 8, 2022 Author Share Posted July 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, 1912Staver said: I had a closer look at the Baker rims and wheels I have. There are " bumps ' pressed into the rim and felloe band to space the rim away from the felloe and ensure the rim mounts concentric with the wheel. Easily enough room for the plate as you have made up. That is correct and exactly why I thought that the plate is indicated. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobs1916 Posted July 8, 2022 Author Share Posted July 8, 2022 Here FYI was the rusty broken plate that I found when disassembling the wheel. This is what led me down the plate path Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobs1916 Posted July 8, 2022 Author Share Posted July 8, 2022 I could use ONE 34x 4 1/2 rim if any has a spare they would like to sell me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 (edited) Nothing that wide , mine are all 1912 / 13 era larger model Buick car. Edited July 8, 2022 by 1912Staver (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Layden B Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 First picture kind of says it all for rim parts. Second pic is of early Baker felloe face plate and third pic is of late style. Baker is very unusual in that the valve stem is a functional part of the rim assembly. You have it correct in that a large diameter metal tube stem but with simple hexnut ( same as holds the bridge washer in place) holds the 5 hole plate in place. The 5 hole plate has 2 elongated holes to allow it to be installed. 1912 and 1913 Baker rims have 5 or more ( depending on rim size) rivets that are used as spacers along with the plate between the rim and felloe band. For 1914 this was changed to eliminate the rivets and "bumps" were pressed into the felloe band ( outwards toward the rim) to support and center the rim. Last 2 pics are of rivets in 1912 Cadillac 28" Baker rims. 25" 34 x 4 1/2 Baker rims were used on very few applications so are hard to find. Jaxon No-19 rims will and were made to directly interchange with Baker. Fourth pic shows application, Buick would be your most likely source. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Great information Layden ! I have to gather up some more catalogs. Neither my 1923 or 1930 catalogs show any of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Shaw Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Baker angle split rims on my 1913 Model 31 Buick are as shown on the first drawing (symbol 70-99). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1912Staver Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Was Baker eventually taken over by Jaxon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobs1916 Posted August 16, 2022 Author Share Posted August 16, 2022 Thank you Layden. This information really clears it up for me . I do have 3 really good Baker rims, Another not so good , and several Jaxon rims so I am OK with the rims. I did find 1 very rusty anchor plate (shown in my earlier post) which I am duplicating . Now I have the verification of their usage with Baker rims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobs1916 Posted January 11, 2023 Author Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) Finally got the baker wheel project completed for my 1918 GMC US Army ambulance. The chassis came with 2 rotted out Bakers in the rear and in the front was a smaller different brand of wheel with metal felloes. I removed the hubs from the 4 wheels and then sand blasted and primed them. I removed all the hardware that was still on the rear wheels including the metal felloe bands. I then secured 2 more felloe band and redrilled them in the Baker pattern. A member on the forum was able to secure me some additional wheel hardware but still not enough so I had the "BAKER" wedges cast as well as the inside wheel threaded hardware. Missing wheel bolts were made from Grade 5 bolts which were machined to accept the shroud which retains the bolt to the wedge . All the hardware and hubs was shipped to Noah Stutzman who did a perfect job on building a new set of wheels . The rear rims were two good Bakers and the front were Jaxon type which drop in perfectly. You can see the plate locking the rim visible on the rear where I am using Baker rims Edited January 11, 2023 by bobs1916 (see edit history) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Dave Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 On 7/7/2022 at 7:18 PM, 1912Staver said: I don't belive Baker used a plate like that. I have a rim parts catalog that shows many rim small parts, drive plates, latches , lots and lots of things other than the actual rims. But no plate like you have made. But the one brand that isn't covered all that well in the catalog is Baker. I have a few Baker wheels and rims and those 4 pins just seem to engage into holes in the metal felloe band. I think a plate like you have made would make it difficult to center the rim on the wheel. Not by a lot , just the thickness of the plate. My guess is that it is important for the pins to have as much depth of insertion into the wheel as possible. Once mounted on the wheel it is impossible for the rim to seperate at the split anyway. the felloe band does just as good a job of keeping the ends together as your plate will. But Mark has a lot more experence with Baker rims { early teens Buicks } than I do so I would expect if he says there should be a plate there most likely should be one. Do they show up in Buick parts books ? I don't have any old enough to show Baker stuff. Just cage valve 6's and newer. My 1915 Buick has the Baker wheels with the plates. The did make them that way. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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