Hupp36 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Rebuilt Clutch disc for 1933 Franklin. $50 plus shipping. USA only. See pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Airman or Olympic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 I have no Idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theKiwi Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I'm curious it doesn't have a spring loaded centre in it - the parts listing for 45913 shows a sprung centre - it's for Series 13 through the first 1,000 or so cars of Series 16 in 1932. Did Franklin go away from a sprung centre in the later Series 16 and/or Olympic cars? Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFitz Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Drawing 58190 shows a spring loaded hub type clutch disc for later Series 16, and all Series 18, 18C, and 19. Paul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFitz Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Usually, unsprung center clutch discs are used for high output heavy-duty applications, and racing, where smooth clutch engagement is not the priority. Even the V-12 engine uses clutch discs with spring-loaded hubs. That unsprung center disc, and it's segmented friction facings, looks more modern than early 1930 era Franklins. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 So, is it a Franklin clutch disc or should I just though it in the trash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theKiwi Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 What is the word above "CP 135" as shown in the second photo - can you make out the whole word on the actual clutch disc? Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Hupp36 said: So, is it a Franklin clutch disc or should I just though it in the trash? Alex, What made you think it was Franklin/ Try it on a known Franklin spline and see if it is correct. What is the OD measure? Don't threw it away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFitz Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 It's not trash to someone and your price is very reasonable for what re-faced clutch disc go for. Just to put new facings on it would be at least $50.00 or more today. Thanks to Covid screwing up the manufactures my clutch friction facing whole sale prices recently went up. I suggest advertise it in the general parts for sale section along with the measurements. Someone may recognize it by sizes and buy it. Or place it in the, "What Is It" forum with the measurements. A lot of guys have the old parts books and might be able to look up by size or that CP 135 number. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hook Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I've seen several similar clutch disc's on tractors. Do like Paul says and put it on "What is it" forum or advertise it on eBay as "vintage clutch disc" with all its dimensions. Don't throw it away, it may be someones absolute need! Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 The word above the CP-135 is veidatouch . I will not put it on ebay, I paid for itums and never received them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 Ok, I found the books my friend gave me after he sold his Franklin. There is a parts book and 2 operations manual. The parts book and operation manual describe the clutch with friction disc and no springs. I feel sure this is an extra clutch disc he had new facings put on.With these books I would say it fits a series 11 or 12 Airman Model. See pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theKiwi Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) No, the Series 11 clutch has rubber discs in the middle of it. #32834 Roger Edited August 25, 2020 by theKiwi (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) Gee, this is a scan put of the Airman Series 12.If you can read what it says about the clutch, you will see it has friction disc. Edited August 25, 2020 by Hupp36 delete (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp36 Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 I will post the scan if I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theKiwi Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Here is the Series 12 Clutch disc #35218 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFitz Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hupp36 said: Gee, this is a scan put of the Airman Series 12.If you can read what it says about the clutch, you will see it has friction disc. A bit of clarity for clutch terms. The "friction discs" are the outer rings originally made of asbestos. When you let up the clutch pedal the friction rings (friction facings in the clutch industry) are the part that gets clamped between the pressure plate and flywheel to transfer engine power to the transmission. They have nothing to do with the hub design. Early clutches used solid mounted discs except the dry clutch of Series 9. It had 2 floating friction discs sandwiching a cast iron disc on the transmission input shaft. In 1922 Franklin started riveting the friction discs to the cast iron and it was a very "grabby clutch". That's why they went to flexible rubberized cloth discs to attach the hub to the outer plate. It absorbed the shocks common with the solid disc type and gave a smoother clutch engagement like the later design sprung hubs. The center flexible discs (2) that connect the hub to the outer plate were 7 rubberized layers of linen and used from series late 10A up to Series 130. I have some experience with this because I'm the guy who makes the flexible discs for clutches and cooling fans and installs them. I've rebuilt a few hundred of them in the past 40 years. Starting with the 135/137 Franklin went to a larger diameter clutch disc and used an all metal spring loaded hub, that by the late 20's was becoming the standard design for automotive use, right up to the present. Paul Edited August 25, 2020 by PFitz (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFitz Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) BTW Franklin was not the only car manufacturer to use rubberized cloth discs to connect clutch disc hubs to the fiction facings ring. I've rebuilt them for other makes. Paul Edited August 26, 2020 by PFitz (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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