Wowabunga Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 (edited) Here's my thinking... All over the planet in dusty barns and old garages sit old forgotten jacks waiting for someone to discover them and send them back on their journey home to their original auto or truck. Seriously, to help move this "migration" along I've spent 10 years working up a ID Guide for old jacks...! I won't be touching on tools for that's a huge expanse of knowledge to compile and I'll leave that to the individual clubs to wade thru. Today we tackle the Locomobile Company and my questions if I may are as follows: Did your cars come with factory supplied jacks, some yes some no ? In your factory literature are there any illustrations to be found of jacks for your Locomobiles ? Are any online or print publications where I can find more info ? Thanks in advance for any productive direction. Ramblin Randy Edited December 16, 2018 by Wowabunga (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Good question. I am only familiar with the older Locomobiles and will scrounge through my literature and see if I can see anything. Owners of later Locomobiles chime in with your relevant information. Good luck on your project. Al 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wowabunga Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 Music to my ears Al. Factory literature that had a page showing the tools and a jack was pretty common in the early years. The only reference I have is that the Lane Jack Company supplied jacks for Locomobiles. Here's a photo of a number 8 which is very sturdy, and a number 4 that is lighter. Anyone have one of these Lane jacks in the trunk ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoman Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Early Loco's, 1908-at least 1913, used Barrett # 44 jacks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Hello Locoman, I scrounged through my 1909-12 literature and could find no reference to the use of jacks. Please share your information as it regards to Barrett #44 jacks on the early cars. I am most curious. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoman Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) Locoman, Nice pictures, thanks for posting! What manual or type of Locomobile literature would these pictures be found in? I would like to get a copy for my Locomobile information file. Al Edited January 14, 2019 by alsfarms correction (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesbrunn Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I have just received a bunch of tools and jacks from a friend of mines estate. many of these have company name on them but they are on a plate that is secured to the side of the jack. I do have a jack for a 1914 locomobile, I will check it out when I get home. when I bought my loco, I received a bunch of tools with it. most appear to be of the era but not marked loco Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Hello Mike, Attach a picture here so we can get an idea of what the jack would look like. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancehagman Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 I think I have the answer to the question about Locomobile supplying Jacks :-) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Thanks for posting a picture. It would sure be nice to have that jack under the seat of my Locomobile! Is this an item that you collect or have for sale? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancehagman Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Trying to determine its value? Any idea / offer ? Thank you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Lance, I have encouraged other Locomobile owners to take a look at your jack, in the Locomobile parts for sale section. I hope it can find a new home in the tool chest of a Locomobile automobile. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wowabunga Posted November 14, 2019 Author Share Posted November 14, 2019 Well well well... The passing of time here has turned up a bountiful blessing full of info and with much glee visuals too...!!! The Barrett 44 jack is pretty old and I'd imagine not easy to find one. The handle alone you'd need one of those new 3D printing machines to craft. The Barrett that is embossed with the Locomobile name I'm sure is rare as well... it's the first visual I've seen anywhere. Have seen Lane Brothers Advertisements with general references to many makes including Locomobile, have yet to find a link to a specific car / year. The search goes on. Thanks you...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wowabunga Posted November 14, 2019 Author Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) Here's some odd ball research from a 1919 US Patent. An inventor by the name of Delmar Roos, assigner to the Locomobile Company of America filed for a patent for a auto jack that ran on electricity. Go to this page and type in the patent number 1324851 http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm US Patent 1324851, jack, December 16, 1919 I don't think Delmar's dream ever took flight... Edited November 14, 2019 by Wowabunga (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Interesting about the possibility of an electric jack. Definitely for the Locomobile guy that has everything. Al 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 The jack above would be for a car that does not have the truss rod running underneath the differential. So did early loco's have a truss rod and what year was it discontinued? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Hello Al, I am quite sure that all Locomobiles up to about 1912 had the truss rod under the differential. The 1909 I am working on DOES have the truss rod. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrbartlett Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 1919 Model 48 still has a truss rod under the differential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 I have a jack that I use on my model T that has a carriage in front of the jack mechanism. The carriage fits between the truss rod and the round tube of the differential. As many of you know, T models are hard to hand crank when cold unless you jack up one rear wheel. I have never learned what jack was appropriate on brass era cars. We all know they were jacked up because flats were regular occurrences. Ashland Manufacturing. I swore if I ever found another one I would buy it but when I ran across the second one, I didn't. Only two I've ever seen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Hello Al, Interesting jack and thoughts. I wish you had bought the second one and made it available here! Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoman Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 This mounting pad on the differential/axle tube is where the jack goes. Does not interfere with the truss rod. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Nice clear picture that fully and firmly addresses the thought/question above. I will get a picture of my earlier rear end for comparison. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wowabunga Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 On 11/19/2019 at 4:57 PM, AHa said: Ashland Manufacturing. I swore if I ever found another one I would buy it but when I ran across the second one, I didn't. Only two I've ever seen. It is my understanding these are not jacks in the normal sense, rather they are called "tire savers". Back in the early tube tire days the tires were very expensive and during the winter cars were mothballed and 4 tire savers were positioned under each hubcap and the cars were only lifted an inch or two to clear the ground thus taking the weight off the expensive tires. I've seen the tire savers at Hershey in singles and pairs, rarely do you find all four matching. Anyone else have the same understanding ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Ballard 35R Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 9 hours ago, Wowabunga said: It is my understanding these are not jacks in the normal sense, rather they are called "tire savers". Back in the early tube tire days the tires were very expensive and during the winter cars were mothballed and 4 tire savers were positioned under each hubcap and the cars were only lifted an inch or two to clear the ground thus taking the weight off the expensive tires. I've seen the tire savers at Hershey in singles and pairs, rarely do you find all four matching. Anyone else have the same understanding ? Used to see a lot of these "storage " type jacks in the flea market and sold mine years ago.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 hmmm, a question. Does anyone still use these "tire savers" or a modern equivalent today? Most museums use jack stands, of some sort, for long term storage. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHa Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I also have this Simplex jack that has this cut out in the head. I've often wondered if it was for a saddle to go under the differential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 What is the height from top to bottom of this Simplex jack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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