1936 Packard Twelve Speedster 904080 Mecum Monterey 2016

[roadster]

There you go.  The book is out.   

[edinmass]

4 hours ago, roadster said:

There you go.  The book is out.   

 

Fiction? Clive passes away a while ago................it must be true, I’m reading it on the internet.

[Gunsmoke]

This tale is approaching the status of the other current "big lie"! Great looking car, regardless of the 2 sides in the battle over it's provenance. I suspect the new owner cares little about the precision of it's back story, indeed the controversy may add to it's value. 

 

[roadster]

There is a safety deposit box with original documentation on this car.  No authors or owners have been willing to come and review these documents and photos.  Dam shame, people continue to get burned. 
 

 

Edited December 6, 2021 by roadster (see edit history)

[edinmass]

You can determine the provenance just by looking at the auction house that sold it. 
 

[roadster]

Attached is the Hemmings Ad from 1977 when Frank Hooley was selling Dicks Creation for his Wife.  
 

 

[Vince Briglia]

Reading through this thread 8 years after the auction and initial claims, but jeez... 
Recently I have been researching and documenting a car belonging to my grandfather, A 1933 Packard 1006 Fernandez and Darrin Cabriolet DeVille. 
Throughout his life he had always known it as the only surviving example of a Fernandez & Darrin Packard, owning it since 1965.
Although, my grandfather did not know how to research let alone use a computer, he did accumulate information, booklets, letters and photos of cars related to his/F&D
There was at least 1-2 photographed examples of Fernandez & Darrin Packards previously existing (not this one), and some old advertisements and drawings to support other designs.
I will have to check through some of his documents, since he did talk to Robert Turnquist on and off. 
But prior to me finding this thread I found the Mecum auction and was instantly put off by the description and claims.  
A lot of these high value cars with interesting backstories/claims can smell, although Ill save the rest of my opinions on it for now. 

[Walt G]

Vince, thank you for your comments and taking the time to share. I will limit my comment to one word "MYTH" (  becomes fact if around long enough)

This tale of the 1936 car has been going on for decades.

I know I have information on Fernandez and Darrin here in my collection, photos too of the era either in publications ( most likely French - Omnia and L Illustration magazines) or something else but as with everything it takes hours/days to locate and I do not do instant research - I am not a button that can be tapped for instant history like many people take for granted now. My refraining from "instant" replys does get some demanding people irritated and mad - so be it.

 

Edited September 28 by Walt G (see edit history)

[TAKerry]

Unfortunately, some important details can be lost to the passages of time whether by, accident, or the loss of people 'that were there and know the truth'. They also can be forgotten intentionally to boost the value of the vehicle in a deceptive manner. 

[Vince Briglia]

3 hours ago, Walt G said:

Vince, thank you for your comments and taking the time to share. I will limit my comment to one word "MYTH" (  becomes fact if around long enough)

This tale of the 1936 car has been going on for decades.

I know I have information on Fernandez and Darrin here in my collection, photos too of the era either in publications ( most likely French - Omnia and L Illustration magazines) or something else but as with everything it takes hours/days to locate and I do not do instant research - I am not a button that can be tapped for instant history like many people take for granted now. My refraining from "instant" replys does get some demanding people irritated and mad - so be it.

 

Thanks Walt. I had seen some of your other posts and photos from your collection, specifically the advertisements on Charles Lindbergh and the Franklin Automobile Company. My grandfather, the fourth owner, was told by the second owner that it was originally owned by someone in the Anne Morrow Lindbergh family, whether it was anne's, her sibling's, or mother's. And the franklin cars seem to be one of the last few automobiles that Charles would openly let people photograph him in (prior to the 1935 Hauptmann trials and that fallout, I will leave an image the Packard outside the court house during the first week of the trial jan 6th 1935).

But anyways, I will send you a private message Walt, the history and documentation for this stuff is a process that definitely requires going outside the united states to get original information on.
I have spent days skimming French databases and archives looking at old concours photos. I will mention that there is a thread collection on the website coachbuild that had the most information on old F&D advertisements and other great photos/cars, especially of that 1932 F&D Packard 8 that I hope someday shows up in a barn in France.  

Edit: I will add, to the 1936 car, I find it amusing that this car, which if it was an original Fernandez & Darrin Build, should have been on display at Pebble Beach in 2014. That was the first year to my knowledge they had done a class just to exhibit Fernandez and Darrin work, and I believe there was about 13 or so F&D cars shown.  I have seen many times cars get freshly restored or come out of the woodwork, go to Pebble Beach, and then show up on one of the big auction sites within a year.  Seems weird they were not there, on top of the the Mecum auction just listing it as "Dutch Darrin" coach work, which I feel would undermine the value/history. 
 

Edited September 28 by Vince Briglia (see edit history)

[arcticbuicks]

that Packard is a nice looking custom hot rod of the times