Davlet Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) I can't really understand why people think that kinda cars will be able sold on EBAY.People just can't understand by publishing there cars online they loosing there chances to sale cars. First opinion come up to real buyer If car was advertised and wasn’t sold that mean something wrong with the car. Not original or not matching numbers or ….Every time when I talk to people and trying to explain that people not believing and trying to go over and advertise it. Sad very, very sad. Edited February 8, 2016 by Davlet (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Here the post when I showed everyone this car One more Mercedes-Benzfor salehttp://m.ebay.com/itm/like/221882732424?item=221882732424&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466&rmvSB=true&ul_ref=http%253Arover.ebay.comrover1711-53200-19255-01%253Fff32%2526toolid10039%2526campid5335991718%2526customidStore%2526item221882732424%2526vectorid229466%2526lgeo1%2526srcrot711-53200-19255-0%2526rvr_id900462031720&rmvSB=true&ul_ref=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-53200-19255-0%2F1%3Fff3%3D2%26toolid%3D10039%26campid%3D5335991718%26customid%3DStore%26item%3D221882732424%26vectorid%3D229466%26lgeo%3D1%26srcrot%3D711-53200-19255-0%26rvr_id%3D900462031720&_mwBanner=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 I agree that for many cars, especially the ones in this thread eBay is not the place to sell or market them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) I agree that it was a bad idea in the sense that those who saw the eBay ad know that the car did not draw a $1.5M bid, much less the $2M asking price, and anytime a car is offered and not sold it can be interpreted negatively. However, I doubt many serious buyers look at eBay, so I don't think the ebay advertising will hurt too much. What is more difficult for me to believe is that Kemp sold his collection without taking it to a major auction, and the new owner using Motostalgia. I went to one of their auctions a couple of years ago, and it was not very well coordinated. Hopefully they learned quickly and run things more smoothly now, but if I had a $1.5M-$2M classic, I would be using a major. I know the seller's premium can be negotiated down to zero by the second- and third-tier houses to attract major cars, but I wonder if the seller is really coming out ahead. I don't know what the factors were here, but if it was based on seller's premium, I think the strategy is flawed. Edited February 8, 2016 by 540K (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 8, 2016 Author Share Posted February 8, 2016 The Motostalgia auction at Amelia has some interesting cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zup Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Hello AACA Members, thanks to A.J. for redirecting to this thread I am a car guy from Germany - collecting different - mostly Porsche cars. Some time ago I bougth a Mercedes 540 Body from a friend As far as i Know for now the car is a Mercedes 540K Cabrio B from 1938 - but as I am more a porsche guy - I hope you can help me out with the identification. I am also in contact with mercedes classic in Germany - but they will not deliver any information as i am not owning the chassis - which will be most likely used under a more expensive Body Body number is 843304 -> so should be a Sindelfingen Body right? Is there any way to find out to whom the car was delivered when new? besides Mercedes Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 Definitely a Sindelfingen Cab B body. The hard part is that all the indexes are by chassis # or engine # so it will be hard to find. Maybe Craig can tell us how many reproduction Special Roadsters are out there that started out with Cab B bodies. That number is probably only about 6-10 and I'm sure your body was on one of those. Of course it might also be the Cab A we were talking about a few posts back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) That's probably close for Cab B's, but even if I have a record that a car is rebodied, I don't always know from what. I count about 14 long-tail roadsters on original chassis that started as other body styles. I couldn't get Prahl to tell me how many they have done, but I've seen 3 of them come up for sale recently and there are probably more. Nawrocki did 5 bodies, though two are still unfinished. HME did one. I don't know who fabricated the other bodies. Edited February 11, 2016 by 540K (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadster36 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I have seen this body for sale 3 or 4 years ago perhaps that give someone a clou? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanSierakowski Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Another very Spezial car, this time coming to Amelia: http://rmsothebys.com/am16/amelia-island/lots/1939-mercedes-benz-540-k-spezial-cabriolet-a-by-sindelfingen/1078997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Another very Spezial car, this time coming to Amelia: http://rmsothebys.com/am16/amelia-island/lots/1939-mercedes-benz-540-k-spezial-cabriolet-a-by-sindelfingen/1078997Subtle two-tone paint and interesting belt line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Another very Spezial car, this time coming to Amelia: http://rmsothebys.com/am16/amelia-island/lots/1939-mercedes-benz-540-k-spezial-cabriolet-a-by-sindelfingen/1078997Is it just me? This car's proportions just look weird to me. Perhaps the V-windshield doesn't work with the cab top, or maybe it's the white tires, or the red color, or a little bit of all of it. Just looks like a bad Monogram model kit to me, but I can't place my finger on why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restorer32 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I agree West. Looks like the front half was drawn by one designer and the rear by another and they weren't on speaking terms. Maybe if the roof line were a bit lower toward the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Looks great Craig. Love the wheels. On the Melton 540k, the combination of V windshield and suicide doors is a special combination. Obviously not a fan of the color. Attached is a shot of this car in the 1940s when James Melton owned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) I agree with you guys re the overall design - top is too high or the windshield is too low. I like the skirted rear fenders when Melton had it, but I haven't seen many 3-position tops that I like (and this isn't one of them). Edited February 23, 2016 by 540K (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I agree with the skirts. Looks good. The two-tone is even worse than the red, tho. I didn't post this the first time, but perhaps it's the sidemounts that make it look funny, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Look closely at the background of the picture and you will see some interesting cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Peter Kumar got for sale 540k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 27, 2016 Author Share Posted February 27, 2016 The Red 540k Cab C is pictured a few times and mentioned in this thread. It was originally delivered to England, was in NY in the 60s and owned by a friend of mine in Mass during the 00s. Last it was for sale they wanted a lot of money. It has power steering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 The Red 540k Cab C is pictured a few times and mentioned in this thread. It was originally delivered to England, was in NY in the 60s and owned by a friend of mine in Mass during the 00s. Last it was for sale they wanted a lot of money. It has power steering.$1.3M current asking price. I only know of two C's that have gone for $1M-$1.2M, and those were pre-recession. However, this car has been offered three times in the past 12 months, and I don't know if it has sold once or twice or just changed selling agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Bonhams is having a loaded auction. Check this out: http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23590/ Here is the jewel of the offerings: Featured at the Paris Auto ShowEx-Richard Croxton Adams,1935 MERCEDES-BENZ 500K Special Roadster Engine no. 1236961935 MERCEDES-BENZ 500 K CABRIOLETCoachwork by Carrosserie J. SaoutchikChassis no. 123696Engine no. 102405.38 1236965,018cc OHV Supercharged Inline 8-Cylinder Engine100bhp or 160bhp with Supercharger Engaged4-Speed Manual Transmission4-Wheel Independent Suspension4-Wheel Servo-Assisted Hydraulic Drum BrakesExquisite and rare coachwork by one of the world's most coveted coachbuildersSumptuous body with unique sculptural beltline - a signature Saoutchik designUnique one-off car with huge presence andContinuous history and chain of ownership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 1938 MERCEDES-BENZ 540K ROADSTERCoachwork by LancefieldChassis no. 169317Engine no. 1693175,401cc OHV Supercharged Inline 8-Cylinder Engine115bhp or 180bhp with Supercharger Engaged4-Speed Manual Transmission4-Wheel Independent Suspension4-Wheel Servo-Assisted Hydraulic Drum BrakesElegant and imposing coachwork by a famous English coachbuilderSuperb proportions with fully disappearing topSporting One-off coachwork on a legendary supercharged Mercedes chassisWelcomed at the worlds finest Concours d'Elegance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 1936 MERCEDES-BENZ 500K SPORTS ROADSTERCoachwork by SindelfingenChassis no. 130857Engine no. 101240011.44 1308575,018cc OHV Supercharged Inline 8-Cylinder Engine100bhp or 160bhp with Supercharger Engaged4-speed Manual Transmission4-Wheel Independent Suspension4-Wheel Servo-Assisted Hydraulic Drum BrakesExquisite and rare coachwork by SindelfingenOne of only 7 to 12 cars to this configurationMatching numbers exampleFitted with the very rare flat windshieldHigh-quality restoration that presents well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 1939 MERCEDES-BENZ 540K CABRIOLET ACoachwork by SindelfingenChassis no. 408388Engine no. 10124019.32 4083885,401cc OHV Supercharged Inline 8-Cylinder Engine115bhp or 180bhp with Supercharger Engaged4-Speed Manual Transmission4-Wheel Independent Suspension4-Wheel Servo-Assisted Hydraulic Drum BrakesOutstandingly handsome example of Sindelfingen coachworkHigh-quality older restoration that presents wellLegendary supercharged pre-war Mercedes-Benz chassis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 1935 MERCEDES-BENZ 500K CABRIOLET CCoachwork by SindelfingenChassis no. 113715Engine no. 102401.53 1137155,018 cc OHV Supercharged Inline 8-Cylinder Engine100bhp or 160bhp with Supercharger Engaged4-Speed Manual Transmission4-Wheel Independent Suspension4-Wheel Servo-Assisted Hydraulic Drum BrakesRare and correct exampleHigh-quality coachwork by SindelfingenHigh-quality restoration that presents wellLegendary supercharged Mercedes-Benz chassis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) I personally like from that auction. Daily driver car.1958 MERCEDES-BENZ 220 S COUPÉ. Edited February 29, 2016 by Davlet (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) Wow. Seven Nine 500/540K's at auction in the next few weeks, plus at least nine more that are currently available privately (might be some overlap, I haven't checked). Surely the supply is going to suppress prices on all but the Saoutchik and maybe the low-door roadster. I am seeing the phrase "the smart money getting out" more and more frequently in opinions about the classic market. Summary of the upcoming 500/540K auctions upcoming:4 Cab A's at Bonham's Amelia, Bonham's Stuttgart, RM Amelia, and RM Monaco.1 Cab C at Bonham's Stuttgart.1 Special Roadster at Motostalgia Amelia.1 Saoutchik Cab at Bonham's Stuttgart.2 "other" roadsters at Bonham's Stuttgart. Nine cars, and that doesn't even get us to car week in August. I'll take the Saoutchik and y'all can split up the others! Edited March 1, 2016 by 540K (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 There are always ebbs and flows to the market. I remember when the Duesenberg market was flooded with the dispersal of Imperial Palace and the O'Coin collection. I figured the Duenseberg market would have to come down. Have you checked Model J prices lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tilomagnet Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Wow the Saoutchik 500K is stunning. I didnt know until now that it still existed...theres a period pic in Melin II but I've never known it was a survivor. I could imagine this will fetch $ 5-7MM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadster36 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Iam looking forward for the result of the 170v roadster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Magno Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I noticed that the blue replica body 320 Cab A that I saw in the Amelia show last year is up for sale by Bonhams at Amelia next week.http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23133/lot/172/ I just spoke to one of their people about it. It will be interesting to see what they do. Nothing mentioned in the description that it is a fake. We discussed the SWB "Cab A" that was in the Bonhams, Denmark auction last fall that was really a copy of a Combination Coupe. The Bonhams rep indicated that it was represented as a "reconstruction". I would take issue that the description indicated as much. Here is the link for a lesson in auction copy creative writing: http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23234/lot/3/ I know this is not so interesting to those of you following the supercharged cars, but I'm just trying to get the truth out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 3, 2016 Author Share Posted March 3, 2016 Thanks to Henry for pointing this out. I had somehow overlooked this. 1937 MERCEDES-BENZ 540K CABRIOLET ACoachwork by SindelfingenChassis no. 154083Engine no. 1540835,401cc OHV Inline 8-cylinder Engine with Rootes Supercharger180bhp at 3400rpm With Blower Engaged4-Speed Manual Transmission4-Wheel Independent Suspension4-Wheel Drum Brakes* One of only 32 of this design constructed* Exquisite low slung two seater touring car* Original UK delivery* Fine, fresh older restoration completed* One of the great automobiles of its day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 Henry, I find it very interesting. I am going through the same thing with a different type of collector's item - a guitar represented as having belonged to a musician named Stevie Ray Vaughan, but I have over 20 pieces of information that in my opinion prove it was not. I don't have a dog in that hunt - just trying to prevent some poor schuck from getting taken. The auction house says they pulled it, but it is widely reported as having been sold for $100,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 (edited) Nice picture of the Vanvooren 500k. Edited March 6, 2016 by alsancle (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 (edited) Cab A for sale in Italy. Seller refused to reveal the chassis number, but a website says Kesselring's car was 169355. Something doesn't add up between the reported chassis number and 1939. Maybe one of you can get chassis number. Seller indicated it is $2.5M. From his ad: "From a famous Italian Car's museum a wonderful Mercedes in perfect condition. Built in 1939 or Albert Kesselring (German officer) it was in Italy during the II War, and then it was bought by our family up today. In the 60s it was restored maintaining the originality, very correct numbers matching car. All documentation. Apparently the museum was Quattroruote. Edited March 8, 2016 by 540K (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadster36 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) http://ruoteclassiche.quattroruote.it/auto-moto/lombra-di-kesselring/ And a 500k cab c http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C718475 Edited March 8, 2016 by roadster36 (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsancle Posted March 8, 2016 Author Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) The Cab C (Actually "B") was formerly owned by Val Valentine in the U.S.A. The spares were moved to the back in the late 1950s by his dad. Edited March 9, 2016 by alsancle (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davlet Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 does anyone know by chance what the 1939 Mercedes-Benz 540 K Spezial Cabriolet A Spezial Means? https://news.classiccars.com/1939-mercedes-540-k-stars-rm-sothebys-florida-auction/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
540K Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 does anyone know by chance what the 1939 Mercedes-Benz 540 K Spezial Cabriolet A Spezial Means? https://news.classiccars.com/1939-mercedes-540-k-stars-rm-sothebys-florida-auction/I think it means primarily the split windshield and shape of the fenders, but I would defer to others' expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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