Juha Paavo Kaita Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Hi!Enclosed is two photos of early automobiles of which I have no idea of make or model. Hope you can advice me as you have done so many times earlier. These cars are from Salo area. This town is about 30 km from Turku. Salo is the place where they started to manufacture Nokia phones in the first place.We are having summer weather here up in the north!Juha KaitanenTurku, Finland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juha Paavo Kaita Posted May 25, 2010 Author Share Posted May 25, 2010 Hi!I quess these makes of cars seem to be quite unusual because you people are so quiet. Hope to hear from you stillJuha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Layden B Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 Biggest problem is I don't think either are American. Wishing you good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mellor NJ Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 the first one resembles a pre-T Ford (N,R,orS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoneyPit Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 The levers & rear end are wrong - it is not a Ford N, R, or S... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzcarnerd Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 I think the first one is a Humberette from around 1903. I think the bigger one is American and would date from 1913 or 1914. I am sure we have seen a car with that extended top radiator tank on this site somewhere but I haven't figured out what it is yet. Maybe someone in HCCA might have an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave@Moon Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 (edited) I think the first one is a Humberette from around 1903. I think it may be a one-off construction for racing or hill climbing, with much of the body based on a Humberette. The seats, fenders, radiator, and hood look like they came from a Humberette. Also possibly the frame is sourced from the same car.However the lever control is much too far forward to be from the Humberette originally. The body under the seats looks a little crude, especially around the floor area, and is probably wooden in construction. Also (unless my eyes are fooling me) it looks very much like this car has chain drive to both the front and back axles, making it a (possibly homemade?) four wheel drive vehicle. It could be that I'm seeing just radius rods to the front axle, but the one nearest the driver sure looks like it has links in it. Also I don't see a similar structure for the other side. Edited May 30, 2010 by Dave@Moon added Humberette photo (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintman Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 Hi,One of our specialists has advised it is definately not a Humberette. Suggestion that perhaps it might be a Lion-Peugeot but I have got no further. The newer car with the 'upper lip' rad top was suggested as perhaps having an after-market rad. I have not been able to find anything like it our side of the pond. Anybody recognise it in US??RegardsVintman (UK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest De Soto Frank Posted May 30, 2010 Share Posted May 30, 2010 That "cro-magnon" upper radiator "brow" is similar to, but much more prounouced than 1922-24 Studebaker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintman Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Hi Folks,I accidentally came across a photo of a 1914 Detroiter B1 at the Towe Auto Museum (Sacramento) shown top row Early American Autombiles 1915-1920 and noted that this has the 'upper lip' type of rad as above. Regretfully the Standard Catalog does not show the 'upper lip'. The car in the photo above had electric lights which suggests cca 1915. Very little is available on the web on the Detroiter but the wheel hubs match, as do the bonnets (hoods) without louvers, and the overall coachwork. Front door has external hinge which appear not to be on the Detroiter. All seems to suggest that the above could be a cca 1915 Detroiter Touring. Does anybody have any pictures of a 15 Detroiter with the 'upper lip' rad to confirm the ident?RegardsVintman (UK)Classic Cars, Veteran Cars and Vintage Cars - The Surrey Vintage Vehicle Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brockway Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 This is very interesting because Detroiter had an importer in Finland and I think the agency was located in Turku... I'm sure Juha knows more about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juha Paavo Kaita Posted June 8, 2010 Author Share Posted June 8, 2010 In 1926 there was actually one Detroiter in Turku area. This you can read from a statistics which was publiced in a local newspaper. This can well be the car in the photo. I don´t have the original photo but I try to get some close up copies of the photo.JuhaTurku, Finland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juha Paavo Kaita Posted June 20, 2010 Author Share Posted June 20, 2010 The photo showing smaller car, possible Lion-Peugeot, is taken in Loimaa area. Very few cars were made in Finland. In Loimaa area there was a man called Frans Heikkilä. He owned a plant that made agricultural machines. He also made a car for himself. Enclosed is a photo of his car. Although this car looks a lot like the "Lion-Peugeot" it is not the same auto. I still need to gather more information about the smaller car.JuhaTurku, Finland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juha Paavo Kaita Posted June 22, 2010 Author Share Posted June 22, 2010 I was lucky to get in contact with Bert Babick in California. He owns a same Model of Detroiter shown in the photo. So this mystery car was Detroiter 1914 Model B Touring. Thank you very much for your help once again. JuhaTurku, Finland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juha Paavo Kaita Posted June 22, 2010 Author Share Posted June 22, 2010 I was lucky to get in contact with Bert Babick in California. He owns a same Model of Detroiter shown in the photo. So this mystery car was Detroiter 1914 Model B Touring. Thank you very much for your help once again. JuhaTurku, Finland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juha Paavo Kaita Posted July 3, 2010 Author Share Posted July 3, 2010 It is sometimes good to go through your piles of paper. You might find something you didn´t remember you have. When you find that piece of paper you realise that this is a missing piece from that buzzle.Enclosed is poor xerocopy of a photo which is in a photo archive in Helsinki. I took the copy while going through their photos of early automobiles. I just found the photo and it struck my mind that this is the same car which I have been trying to identify on this topic. The car is English made Starling. It was owned by Mr. Yrjö Nuotio. The Starling was bought as a used car in 1914. The actual make of the year must be something 1903-1906 or so.Juha KaitanenTurku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vintman Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Hi Juha,Fascinating info. I note from Georganos that Starling was made by the Star Cycle Co. This was the precusor company to the Star Motor Co making the well known Star car in Wolverhampton (UK). Star cars went on to 1938. Star Cycle Co seems to have been run by Junior who made two-seaters with a De Dion Engine called the Staling made between 1906 and 1908; armoured wood frame and chain drive. Later four seater Stuart. Star Cycle Co subsequently became Britton.RegardsVintman (UK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Casper Friedrich Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 (edited) "A low priced car built from surplus Star parts."Manufactured between 1906 and 1909, the place is of course Wolverhampton, Staffordshire.Source:British Motor Manufacturers 1894-1960, Starling/StuartGood site on obscurer British marques. Edited July 4, 2010 by Casper Friedrich (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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