General Reatta question

[Guest]

I've been looking at Reattas as a possible purchase. Of the ones I see available, and considering their age, most seem to be extremely well taken care of. At this I am not surprised, since relatively few had been made, owners seem to love them, and may one day be legitimate collectors items. I've also been reading the posts in this forum and see that the posters exhibit a far deeper knowledge of their cars than most car owners in general. This has me both impressed and concerned. I am impressed with the caliber of posts and the extent to which posters will go to help others. On the other hand, I am concerned that this extensive knowledge base was born of necessity, because due to their highly computerized system, Reattas may be quirkier than other cars, and one can not just pull into any shop to have them repaired when problems arise. <P>Now to my questions: Is this car more difficult or more expensive to maintain than say, another 10-12 year old GM car? Would you recommend this car to be purchased by a single woman of average income and below average mechanical competence? Or is this a plaything for those with above average mechanical and technological abilities, as well as above average means to support a car hobby? <P>These cars have appeal, their price level makes them currently affordable, and would seem to fit my needs. But considering the above criteria, are they for me, or am I asking for a lot of trouble and expense? <P>Your thoughts and advice is appreciated.

[Guest]

There aren't very many cars (any at all that I can think of) that won't require some maintenance after 11-14 years of use, or even if they're sitting in some garage. Parts wear out, groundings become corroded, rubber begins to deteriorate, things rust, interiors fade, bulbs burn out, retainers break (wiggly headlights for example), fluids need to be changed regularly (if they aren't, watch out). This goes for any car. <P>I have two other cars, but my Reatta convertible occupies a special place in my heart. I've never had any trouble with this car at all. Apart from regular maintenace, it hasn't given me any surprises, maybe because the miles are low (44,000). The car is basically a chopped down Buick Riviera, because it uses the same electronics, engine, transmission, and virtually the same interior as the Riviera. There might appear to be a lot of things wrong with this car in general if you look through this forum, but people rarely post here if they aren't having a problem. Hence the forum is filled with problems, which may be leading you to think it is trouble-prone. The same goes for any car forum; look at allante.org or corvetteforum.com for some of their problems.<P>Why do I love this car so much? Well, they didn't make very many coupes, and even fewer convertibles. When I drive my car on the weekend with the top down, people point and stare or come up to me and ask what kind of car it is. They're always amazed when they hear it is a Buick, and even more when they hear it's eleven years old. It's a beautiful car and it handles very well, it's quiet and very well-appointed with all the creature comforts. I would sleep in mine if I could. I fell in love with this car the moment I saw it, from the wraparound rear lense to the popup headlights to the thickly padded seats and plush carpet. It's not a sports car, but an elegant luxury tourer with lots of trunk space.<P>If you can't tell already, I would advise you to buy the convertible version (there are plenty of them out there), but the coupe is nice too especially with the sunroof. The coupe also feels more solid, but for my money there's nothing like the feeling of lowering the top for a drive on a warm summer night. "Handcrafted luxury built for two," as I remember the billboard from years ago.<P>So look at the cars for sale, there are always some on Ebay (gorgeous low-mileage black one there right now) or traderonline.com and get a feel for prices. As with any car, you want one with a COMPLETE SERVICE HISTORY. If the service records are not available, pass on the car. The most important thing you can do to the car is change the oil; you would be surprised how many people neglect to do that. Also, have the car checked out by a mechanic before buying, because they will run a diagnostic and check everything: brakes, tires, steering, engine, transmission, air conditioning, everything. The Buick 3800 has been described as "bulletproof", and Reattas with 200,000 miles on the engine without a rebuild are not uncommon. That said, in my mind there's nothing wrong with a car that has 100,000 miles or more on it as long as the previous owner has cared for the car as well as I care for mine. <P>It's a fantastic car. Buy one!

[Guest]

Dear; been looking...<P> My initial intuitive response is to say that a Reatta is not for you.<P>I want to read/hear that prospective purchaser just has to have a prime example of a well preserved Reatta. I want to hear that you have lusted for a Reatta since the first pictures you saw and absolutely just had to have one after seeing one close and in person. I want a purchaser to be driven with Reatta passion ... not ... I have been looking and kind of make up my mind for me.<P>So if you can't say I am looking for a great Reatta to drive, preserve and restore and nothing you or anyone can say will stop me don't even think about it.<P>If having passion describes you I would venture the opinion that Reattas are neither better or worse than any other GM car. Unique in style. Perhaps a couple of extra computer parts and some scarcer and unique parts but power train is 3800 bulletproof.<P>A really significant plus to purchasing a Reatta is the unprecedented depth of freely exchanged knowledge exchanged on this forum. Many mechanics in dealerships don't know which end of a wrench to hold and whether they are equally clueless working on a vintage Chev, Caddy, Pontiac, Olds or GMC.<P>I hope you have the passion and get a great Reatta, Robert

[Guest]

I too am a female with limited 'wrenching' knowledge...but I bought my 89 Red Reatta Coupe just about a month 1/2 ago, only after reading everything that 'could go wrong, and might' here on the web site..Only thing different, it's been years since I bought a used car (97,000 on my 'baby) and when I found mine, it was at a small used car dealership..I opted for the extended warranty..Atleast its 'something', and I paid about $500 for it..about the cost of a new timing chain installed I figured..It's not my everyday car, just my 'toy'..But just 'try' to pry it out of my hands...My husband will go before my Reatta!! (How's that for passion?)

[reattadudes]

one thing to remember when reading this site is that "the doctor never sees a patient that is'nt sick." if you buy the car, you certainly could'nt have a better support group than this one...the knowledge here never ceases to amaze me. as far as bulletproof goes, we're in the business of selling parts for reattas, and its sad to say that we don't have a car here that does'nt run perfectly, from a black '88 with 404,000 miles on it, with the original engine and transmission, down to the "low miler" with only 105,000 miles.<P>the fact that the drivetrain was shared with so many other models is only a benefit, as parts will always be cheap and plentiful. as far as other parts go, they are not so cheap, but most people don't wreck their car or break the glass with too much regularity. and sometimes reatta owners complain about the high cost of these parts, but they're really lucky...a headlight for a chrysler tc will run about $2600.<P>I think the best indication of the car is the statement about the excellent condition of the cars you've seen...yes, people love them, and many are still in the hands of the original owners, people who would normally never keep a car this long, but what would they replace them with?<P>go for it!! many of us have been in the same position as you, and once you do it, you'll be glad you did...when was the last time you drove a toyota camry for a year and got the attention you'd get in a reatta in one day?

[Richard S]

I am as rabid about my Reatta as the next fellow, but I cannot let that result in a recommendation that does not appear to create a good motoring fit. My 90 with 139K is a daily driver. Nevertheless, I have to say that were I not willing to apply myself in several maintenance areas, the car could have eaten up some serious money. It is true that the engine/tranny are pretty standard GM issue. However, you will not find any body parts in the wrecking yards, Rivieras nothwithstanding, because those years ain't there either. Also, the same mechanic who has no problem with anything on a Regal, will melt away trying to replace the headlight switch on a Reatta, and charge accordingly. It is not so much that Reattas are trouble prone [brakes excepted], as that they do not particularly fit your profile: You need a reliable every day driver with minimal complexity and maximum familiarity. Something that can be diagnosed and fixed by any mechanic. If you have back up transportation, and a willingness to learn more about cars than you ever thought you wanted to know [the fact that you have been reading this forum is a good sign], THEN perhaps a Reatta would be good choice.

[Guest]

I'm always amused to see people saying the same things I said, but using their own words to say it.<P>Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thanks, I needed that.

[Guest wally888]

If I were contemplating buying a Reatta and had to depend on a mechanic/garage for upkeep:<BR> If the purchase was from a dealer I would insist they (if no records of recent accomplishment) Replace plugs, wires, tranny fluid and filter, flush brake system, inspect brake pads, test the accumulator and headlight operation, cruise control retrieve codes from CRT and ALDL, inspect tires noting age, inspect for any leaks/especially oil, make sure all interior lights work properly, ignition and other locks operate smoothly, any outside or trunk rust, headliner, radio antennae, operation of under the hood fans, does it overheat ..........<BR> Hope others will add to list.<BR> My list, there are omissions, is based on having owned 4 Reattas, 1st in 93, always daily drivers w/ about 50,000 miles driven.<BR> The list, even w/additions, is not long for a 11/14 year old car. W/ one car, drove 6k, I had zero problems. One I owned for about 7 years, drove 28k, replaced accumulator(2 cars), had an ignition switch problem, TPS replaced, lowered thermostat to 180*, fixed headlight door operation( 2 cars), an oil leak. Drove 3rd car about 8k, replaced Cruise Control Switch on steering wheel, water pump,exhaust doughnut hanger ( this car had previously had numerous items fixed-BCM, A/C compressor, many others). 4th car, driven about 4k, 1 year, no problems, just flushed brakes and replaced Tranny fluid and filter. May have to replace thermostat w/ 180*.<BR> Some of the items seem trivial but an engine oil leak can cost 3-$500 to fix, replacing the brake system $500 + labor, <BR> There is one major consideration, the brakes on 88, 89 and 90's vs brakes on the 91. Personally I would not buy any year except 91 but if another model year was fully inspected, system completely flushed then cared for( keeping accumulator performance acceptable), I would expect many years/miles of trouble free service.<BR> Find someone capable of performing a very through inspection, not the seller!

[Guest]

If you like it, buy it.

[padgett]

As cars age, the likelihood of failure increases so anyone looking for "just transportation" and looking at a Reatta because of price should probably pass unless you get a great deal.<P>My Reatta is wonderful - for me - it is transportation, image, hobby, way to meet new friends, and something to keep me busy in hotel rooms at night.<P>I am also collecting spares for an electrical mock up of a Reatta so that I can "fix" a few things.<P>A Reatta is as much computer (actually quite a few of them) as car and while the mechanicals are close to bulletproof, the electrics tend to be a bit "different".<P>Different not only from the drivetrain but also from just about any other GM car - then or now.<P>Every Reatta should have a Factory Service Manual. Period. Oddball things happen often enough that you would think it was a Lucas design.<P>So it is either a matter of you love it and are willing to have from one to three odd things happening at any time (unlike a Jaguar, you can usually drive it even then) or you should admire from a distance only.<P>If you just want a car, a '92 Regal GS will have the same performance (almost the same drivetrain) for somewhat less money.<P>OTOH a Reatta will quickly help improve both your mechanical and electrical skills.<p>[ 07-09-2002: Message edited by: padgett ]

[Howard]

The "newest" of the Reattas are 11 years old. Any car, regardless of make, is going to need some attention. I bought my 89 in August of 98. Yes, I've had problems. Some I've fixed myself, others required to go to the shop. None have cost an arm or a leg, perhaps a finger or two LOL. The powertrain really is not remarkable. Many GM cars had the same engines and transmissions. As stated, the car is a shorten Riveria. The body and interior parts are not very easy to find. Items such as vent windows are almost impossiable to locate. What makes owning a Reatta specialis that you likely will never see yourself going or coming as you would with a Honda, a pickup,an SUV,a mini van or some other mundane source of transportation. While my Reatta is not my only car, I use it as my regular transportaion every other week. So far, it's worked very nicely. I would recommend that you have the car you select checked out. The brakes really need to be looked at closely! If everything checks out,come join us. The water is great! Once you take the plunge, you would be wise to buy a shop manual. Even if you never read it, you will have it for your shop guy. Don't forget this forum, everybody here is very helpful. If you have a problem somebody usually has an answer. Howard

[Guest]

Well NN... you have heard from some of the <B>MOST ESTEEMED</B> Reatta Forum Members and a few <B>GUESTS</B> i.e. unregistered users. A word of advice... a registered user gets a lot more respect from other forum members. <B>Now on to your question...</B> cars are cars get a good one and you minimize your problems... get a dog and you'll pay through the nose. Look for a low mileage Reatta that has been well maintained. I bought a Select 60 convertible 3 years ago and haven put a dime into it, except for a new battery which is gonna happen anyway. <B>GO FOR IT NANCY!!!!!!!!!!!</B> <p>[ 07-09-2002: Message edited by: burkieboy ]

[Guest]

NN check out post from 88Craig88 <A HREF="http://www.aaca.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=005741" TARGET=_blank>Found A 90 Conv For Sale (or just click this to go there )</A> <B>Sounds like a REALLY NICE Reatta!</B><BR> <p>[ 07-09-2002: Message edited by: burkieboy ]

[Reatta_Cruzin]

NN, I've owned my '90 Reatta for over a year now. It has 193,000 miles on her. The only thing that I have done to her mechanically was a water pump change. I'm a middle income wage kind of guy with a stingy wife and a Daughter who love to ride in the Reatta. I just keep gas and oil in her and thats it. I drive the car every day(just about anyway). I say go for it. I'll never get rid of mine, and now I'm in the market for another. So go ahead and get ya one. If u have any problems with it, just tell us about it on the forum and I'm sure that you'll get the help you'll need. <BR>Good luck on your purchase!!!!!!!!

[Guest]

Nurse Nancy.For what its worth,My income is only about 30k, my mechanical knowledge just slightly above average,and I own one. The thing you should remember is how cool will I look in one, lol.

[Guest]

Nurse Nancy: Don't worry about passion now; buy a Reatta ragtop and I guarantee it'll creep up on you! I purchased one on a lark last year; fell in love with it -- and have bought six more since. Sickness. No cure.<P>Jerry<P>'90 convertible, blue/blue/white - MINE!<BR>'90 convertible, black/red/black - $7500<BR>'90 convertible (Mrs. Frank <BR> Sinatra's car), white/tan/tan - $9500<BR> <BR>'90 convertible, gold/tan/tan - $9500<BR>'90 convertible, black/tan/black - SOLD<BR>'90 convertible, grey/grey/white - SOLD<BR>'90 convertible, silver/grey/white - SOLD<P>And a P.S. to Cruzin: He who dies with the most toys is still dead.

[Guest Greg Ross]

"Your thoughts and advice is appreciated"<BR> <P><B>Well Nurse Betty</B> did you get what you bargained for;<BR>And if you're still with us,<BR>These threads periodically extend (at great length) from the Owners who've got a depth of experience from their Reatta ownership.<BR>There is a great deal of pride expressed here, we've discussed previously the "Love/ Hate" or/ and "confusion/ admiration" relationships Owners have with these vehicles.<BR>If you're sincere about joining this Fraternity don't necessarily jump into purchasing the first offering that comes along. <BR>As has been recommended above, whatever year or mileage vehicle you're considering, knowledge is power. Do not purchase any vehicle, Reatta or other of this age range without making a nominal investment in having the car checked over professionally. An hour of a mechanic's time spent in advance could potentially save thousands down the road or, be the leverage to negotiate the proper price on the purchase.<BR>I've used my '88 as escentially a daily driver for going on 5 years, accumulated approximately 150, thousand miles and enjoyed every minute.<BR>What I've reinvested in this car is what I deem to be depreciation and normal maintainance on whatever else I might be driving.<BR>And don't hesitate to post any questions here;<BR>Remember, there are no stupid questions,<BR>only Stupid Answers(occasionally) and the participants here will keep you on the straight and narrow with a wealth of good advise.

[Guest]

Guess Nurse Nancy has dropped out of sight... must be busy in the ER the past few days.

[Guest]

Bottom line, guys, is that we probably scared the hell out of her, and she went screaming straight to her nearest Saturn dealer.<P>Jerry

[Guest]

Thank you for providing the many informed and helpful bits of information. Although I didn't run screaming to the closest Saturn dealer, there were a good number of posts that gave me reason to rethink my intent about acquiring a Reatta. Although the car I considered buying had been sold, I'd spent the last week reading many threads on this board beside those addressing my query. My conclusion is that either many of you are mechanics, (professionally or spare-time tinkerers) or your love for your cars makes you forgive all its quirks. <P>As a dedicated health-care professional, I work in a stressful environment and once away from it, I like to relax. While for many of you, tinkering with a quirky electronics system is a fun way to spend an afternoon, for me it is unchartered territory. I know a dipstick and a tire-gauge, and can change a spare tire, but that's all. Having no mechanical knowledge, I fail to see why Buick made such an appealing and luxurious vehicle, then load it with a mind-boggling array of electronics (not to mention that hybrid brake system) that can drive its owners crazy and at the same time make repair shop operators drooling over estimates for diagnostics and repair. Any problem with one, and that's where I would be--at the mercy of repairmen, and judging by the opinions expressed here, not many of them are experienced with Reattas. <P>In conclusion, and after lengthy consideration, I decided that as appealing as this car is, I better leave ownership to those whose mechanical abilities match the demands of this car.<P>So, will I run screaming to the nearest Saturn dealer? No. I think I'll stay with my trusty, albeit aging Mustang until I save up enough for a new car. <P>Again, thanks for helping me reach what I think is the right decision -- for me.

[ranchero]

Nurse Nancy - Maybe a right decision to abandon the pursuit of a Reatta. I too looked for a long time and read the postings on this excellent forum. I like Buicks and have two Rivieras but for Reatta I decided "no" also. You might want to switch your attention to the cars I focused on as a substitute for Reatta - the Mercedes SL of 1971 to 1989 (called "107" in Mercedes lingo). I got a 1985 model year car with 79k miles. It seems much, much more solid, reliable and durable than the Reatta. Parts, though expensive, are generally very easy to find. Service is more expensive than Buick service but not often needed. The Mercedes 107 cars are unfortunately much more common than the Reatta; I would have preferred the very rare Reatta and think it looks better. But the Mercedes SL was a good substitute for me and may be for you too.

[Guest EDBS0]

NN let me confuse you with some mathematics.<P>Reattas have a "U" shape depreciation curve. Last fall I sold my old 89 for $500 less than I paid for it! And I drove it for over 5 years. Not too bad less than $100 a year depreciation! I now have a Texas 89 Reatta.<P>I dare venture an opinion that a properly maintained Reatta will never be worth less than what you pay for it today. Not too many other cars you can say that about. $0 depreciation leaves you more room for repairs and ,maintenance.<P>Just to confuse you if you are still thinking about a Reatta.<P>What part of the country are you in. They are excellent on snow.<P>another 2cts, Robert

[Guest]

NN<BR>I'm not as fanatical as some of the postings but I do love my 88 black coupe. I got it nearly 2 years ago after many moons searching and looking at a very meager selection. My only complaint is about the CRT screen and instrument panel> If I had to do it over I would buy a 90 or 91 and avoid the computer screens. Mine had 62000 miles on it at purchase and I have put 6,000 on it since. We only use it for "dates" or special occasions. By the way, I also have a 93 Regal coupe that puts it to shame performance wise. Like any other car, the better you maintain them the better they will serve you. If you get a low mileage car in either a 90 or 91 with the service records I doubt that you will be dissapointed.