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I lost my newsletter. Does anyone know where and when the club is meeting at Hershey. I was told 3:00 pm on Friday at the CCCA tent and wanted to confirm that. thanks! A.J.

Many of shots on grass were taken at last year's Meadowbrook show.

Thanks!

Hey Guys, Can anyone identify this NOS transmission (See Picture)? It is a 3 speed overdrive that my dad bought from J.C. Whitney 45 years ago or so to use in in 1940 super 8. The numbers on it are R11-41B, WG DIV, K7-9,SB, 412294. thanks! A.J.

FYI, that motor is 20k to rebuild these days. I wish him luck but a very expensive car to restore.

Sadly I must sell a project or two and this car will probably have to go. Original vin stamped engine, one of 31 built with a close ratio 4 speed and Ram Air. Complete details at: http://home.townisp.com/~alsancle/69CougarCJConv.html A.J.

I have a number of 810/812 Phaeton parts for sale. Conv Top deck, trunk, Rear window, top hinges, rear quarter hinges, etc. Go to http://www.townisp.com/~alsancle/CordParts.html for details and pictures. A.J.

Steve - if I'm remembering the articles correctly - there were two where they were lobbying for acceptance of certain post-war cars. They completely mis-understand the purpose of the club. I'm not much of a club guy, although I do belong to about 1/2 a dozen clubs including the CCCA. Personally, if I don't like what's going on with a particular club, no need to renew my membership. For some reason the CCCA comes under external attack - i.e. people who are not members but seem to be "offended" that their particular car is not on the CCCA roster. A.J.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steve_Mack_CT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I just think CCCA just gets a bad rap. This is no different than any other specialty club or group - they are not just marque specific. Consider the "traditional hot rod" clubs. If you show up in a Corvette, the guys with the 32 Ford highboys may appreciate your car, but honestly that is really not what their particular group is about. Nobody questions this rationale. At the same time, if I bought a traditional hot rod I would get involved with one of these clubs for the same reason I joined the A clubs - knowledge, fellowship and people who really hone in on your car. Just my 2 cents... </div></div> Well put. There is a certain amount of reverse snobbery at work that you see all the time which feeds in to what you are saying.

Hyman Ltd has this car for sale now. http://www.hymanltd.com/search/details.asp?stockno=3525&suffix=1&recordcount=1 $33,500. Seems like a very good looking town car, allegedly by Brunn. It would be interesting to know the history.

That is a great point about not walking away from something thinking you will go back. My experience has been that it never works for a number of reasons. Many times you can't find your way back, or the item is gone.

I have a number of 810/812 Phaeton parts for sale. Conv Top deck, trunk, Rear window, top hinges, rear quarter hinges, etc. Go to www.townisp.com/~alsancle/CordParts.html for details and pictures. A.J.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 6686L</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mr. Sdbravenetey - you are RIGHT. What you point out in reading a modern Websters, is how much our language and culture has changed. Reminds me of what a liberal California Governor said when voters complained about the declining highways, educational quality, etc....'LOWER YOUR EXPECTATIONS'. When we formed the Classic Car Club Of America, we were an entirely different country, where exaggeration was considered dishonest, and PRECISION OF SPEECH was considered worth-while. Obviously, the third-world country we are becoming, has no need of precision in speech and thought. In the 1950's, the Websters published for that generation had a far more precise definition of "classic". We picked this word for our Club, straight out of Websters, because we felt it reflected the particular era, and price class of the cars we felt were historically interesting. The exact definition ? Well..it had TWO parts. First, it said " UNIQUE, OF FIRST RANK, REPRESENTING THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF EXCELLENCE". Thus an ordinary middle class 8 cyl. Packard or similar upper-middle-class car from the 30's was not of interest to us. We liked the BEST. Meaning, of course, the largest, most elegant, most powerful multi-cylinder super luxury cars. Of course we were car buffs and liked ANY old used car. But for our particular Club, we knew PRECISELY what we were interested in. The word "classic", when used PRECISELY, also meant a particular "school of design". Meaning..FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION (from the greek word "classicus".). So a CLASSIC super luxury car would be one where the hood, the headlights, the grill, the fenders, each stood out representing its own function. The "stream-line" era beginning around 1940, was the very antethesis of "classic", which is why the idea of having a '41 or later Cadillac or Packard in our Club would have not occured to us. It never occured to us in those early years that our cars would have value, so concern for selling them was not of interest - we got em and drove em and worked on em cause we LOVED em. As the 50's became the '60's, somehow, much to our surprise, people started seeing the REAL value WE saw in these "engineering exaggerations, magnificantly over-done", and the race was on by the used car dealers to get any old car they wanted to sell, called a "classic". But, you fellows are right - times have changed. In a country where the youth of today have no need or use for precision of speech, since our technical jobs are going to China, all they need to know, is how to ask "DO YOU WANT FRIES WITH THAT? ". So why NOT abandon "precision of speech" and call EVERYTHING "classic" ? </div></div> Well said! When I was a kid I used to ask my dad why the CCCA didn't let in some of the upscale cars of the 50s. In my older age now I fully understand why not. The reason is exactly as you describe it.

Dan, you can look in the field roster to see who has specified Stutz parts but my guess is there will be very few. I think you are going to have to walk each vendor and carefully go through their stuff. You will need to be able to identify what you need by sight as many of the vendors may not know it as Stutz or it is a multi-make part. The flea-market is a shadow of it's former self but there are still finds to be had. Good luck. A.J.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Mak...sspagenameZWDVW That is odd as I thought the Tucker was rear-engined to boot.

Could you post a picture of the car? According to the Splendid Stutz, motor serial numbers were intermixed in 1931 for all models. Motor serial numbers started at 32705 and went to 33107. Car serial numbers ranged from 1001 to 1393. The DV32 numbers started with 1250. Your engine number looks like a 1930 series M (mechanically almost identical to a SV16) which ranged between 30001 to 31493. The chassis number can be found on the right rear frame horn under the bumper bracket. You chassis number looks too low for 1931. The range for 29-30 was 30001-30649, for example. I could be wrong and need to look a bit deeper. A.J.

I follow about 1/2 a dozen forums and this topic comes up with regularity every 30 days (on each forum). From the very beginning the story seemed pretty contrived.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bkazmer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It doesn't have a VIN number(much later law). You may have a model and serial number if the plate is still there. Otherwise use the engine number. </div></div> Correct. When I said "VIN" I basically was saying body # or engine # for earlier cars. The officer of the law that you get to sign the form has to feel comfortable that it is a unique identifier for the car and is "unaltered".

If the car has never been titled then this is not a problem but requires doing a bit of work before going to the registry. In Massachusetts your dad needs to write & sign a notarized affidavit stating, when he bought it, what he paid and the fact it has never been titled. If he just bought it from somebody, they need to do the same. You then need to get a "VIN visual inspection" form, which I forget the form number for, but basically it means you have a local cop come and inspect the VIN plate and have them sign it. Take all of the above to the registry, you will be there three hours because this will require a call to Boston at some point in the transaction, but eventually you will get your title. However, if you are trying to title a car who's title was just lost along the way, that could be a problem. You need to backtrack owners until you get to the one that has title and have them get you a duplicate.

I just went and looked at the invoice again. They actually gave him 4,000 towards the 9,800 purchase price of the Mercedes. Also, the Packard is listed as a 1935 Packard V12 LeBaron Speedster - although we know they were only made in 34. A.J.

Anybody interested in Stutz should take a look at this post in the General Forum. Some interesting stuff. http://forums.aaca.org/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/433937/page/1#Post433937

When I was miraculously able to obtain the original sales invoice for my Mercedes the buyer had traded a 34 LeBaron Speedster towards it. I believe they gave him 3k towards the Mercedes. This was June of 1936. A.J.

George just had the blower and not the entire car or the engine. He put the blower on a engine he had "lying" around the shop. You can see where I mention that it was a tired motor to begin with but they still got a 40% boost out of it. The Stutz blower is very similar to the 540k/500k Mercedes setup and I can tell you from personal experience they are a bear to get tuned right. Ivan, do you know how to decipher the markings on the rear end to determine the factory ratios? A.J>

Ivan, great information. I have the catalog from that sale and if it was held today you would really see some high prices. The blown 29 M has resold a couple of times, with the price doubling each transaction. In fact, the picture at the bottom of this page: http://home.townisp.com/~alsancle/StutzSuperCharger.html shows the blower from that car when George Holman was getting it to work for Skip Barber.

Meadowbrook is a nice show, especially if you are east cost and only want to deal with traveling half way across the country. Here is a picture of some of the Mercedes at last year's show.