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  1. That blacktop is a killer. The old mud fields were much kinder to your feet and legs. I too did 8 hrs on Thur. and 6 on Friday and figure I did about 15 miles total, but it felt like 100.
  2. I moved from the DC area to N.Myrtle Beach SC. Weather is great, old cars are everywhere you can drive them all year. Yea occasional hurricane, but taxes are low, except restaurant food. Housing price is good, and car insurance is half that in the DC area. They don't tax SS, and you get homestead exemptions on Real Estate. Car repair for antiques is a problem, but I do all my own work anyway so not a problem. The best thing, no snow shovels needed.
  3. Many years ago at Hershey I saw Bill Harrah buy a car. His muscle guy had a trucker wallet with what looked like a log chain attached to it. He peeled out $ 50,000 while a bunch of us oogled at his girlfriend ( much better looking than the car he was buying ). Never forget that sight. Cash talks.
  4. Any advise on 19" lock rings ? Have newly powder coated rims and was thinking years ago installed lock rings on my Chevy pickup using dish soap so the rings did not chip the paint. Saw a you tube where a guy just used his rubber soled boot to stomp them down, looked painful !
  5. Standing at the Bank is the best, either cashiers check or wire transfer. If the buyer balks, then its NO deal. My car, my way or the highway.
  6. Sorry Jerry, this is a 433 car ? Then a 6 cylinder, not an eight ? so my suggestion is invalid. I would suggest you get on the PAC forum and talk to someone who knows this car well, and can tell you from specific experience what you are in to. Sorry for the confusion.
  7. Sorry I was away for a couple of days, and saw you mentioned removing the rocker covers. Do not do this, what you are looking at is the roller rocker system cover and they will not go back in with the valves installed. The valve springs will push the lifter ( push rod ) down and the rocker mechanism will be in the down position and impossible to push the four valve trains ( 8 valves each ) back up at the same time to get it back in. The only exception might be from under the car, but reaching in through the cam shaft to lift the push rods out of the way would be very difficult at best. The rollers are in two sections of 8 vales each, hence two covers. This car has a roller bearing rocker lifter system that pushes the push rod up to move the valves, servicing can only be done when a complete tear down of the valve train is done. You will have to wait and see if you have excessive noise from the lifters after start. Given the overall condition of this car, I would very much doubt you have any lifter issues. If you say the valves all move, then that is a good indication of other things being in good shape as well.
  8. Given the looks of the block behind the water jacket, as suggested I too would recommend a complete boil out of the radiator. However it is quite a job to completely remove the radiator on these cars. One suggestion might be to disconnect the radiator, block off the bottom hose and flush it with Rydlyme. Rydlyme is used in boiler cleaning of copper and brass steam and heating boilers and will not harm yellow metal. Just pour it in and let it set for couple of hours and it will descale the inside of the radiator. Flush out completely with fresh water. You can also save it for reuse, just strain out the gunk and put it back in the gallon container. There are other flushing products out there at auto parts stores so you might try that before removing the radiator. I think you are getting near the end of your pre start chores. After re-installing the pan and adding oil, I would be looking to turn the engine over on the starter with the spark plugs removed and do a basic compression test. Although Packard did not have compression readings, my research leads me to believe that 87 lbs is about max for this engine. That test will give you a lot of information about this engine. It is possible to get some oil pressure on the starter, just make sure you have a fully charged battery with good cables, preferably new. Unless this system was converted to 12v, all 6volt systems require over size cables to get all the voltage through the system so think" heavy truck" when replacing any 6v cables and make sure the "positive " ground is tight to the frame. You can also get some excellent advise from the Packard " PAC" website, many experts there specific to your car.
  9. The scrape down process is not something you can do easily. Basically if the bearing clearance is more than factory, then the mechanic would take the cap off, and scrape it on sandpaper or a mill file to reduce its size, then refit. This process would take up the excess gap in the bearing race. Not something for amateurs. As was suggested, use plastiguage to determine clearance, but you are a long ways away from that. I would clean out the water jacket as good as you can. The water does not go all the way around the cylinders. The back side is the valve gallery. This is an open cooling system, so flow is important to all the areas especially at the rear of the block and the head because there is no pressure to insure complete coverage. This is the reason the water temp gauge is located at the back of the head so you get a good reading at the far end of the system. Check the water jacket cover for rust out, new ones are available for around $ 350. The flow in the cover is important and any holes will cause the flow to reduce front to back. I would be more concerned about bearings if after start up, you do not have adequate oil pressure. 30 lbs at 30 mph is the standard, 10 lbs, maybe less at idle is OK, you just don't want to let these engines idle for long periods. The rods are rifle bored and it is a long way up the rod to the wrist pin, so idling is not recommended as oil may not get up there.
  10. Matt's right, you have to decide if you want top shelf, or other. If other, there are good cars out there, you just have to be patient and flexible and yea maybe she isn't going to be a beauty queen. The old song " make an ugly women your wife, you'll be happy for the rest of your life " works for me. Pre war sedans are cheap even Packard's, and if you are buying paint, chrome and sandpaper, they cost the same for a Model A, or a Packard. Over the top restorations are for the Pebble Beach crowd. Let them loose the money. I saw a 32 Packard convertible at Hershey last year for $ 1.3 M, and it had a lot of the same stuff my lowly 901 has, it was amazing to see the similarities. I bet that guy gets no more attention then I do, for a whole lot less money. Enjoy the hobby, and don't take it to seriously. Buy what you like, not what someone else likes, unless your like me, I had to buy a Packard, my wife spend 30 yrs working for Packard ( Electric ) so I had no choice.
  11. Detergent oil will help some, but don't expect a squeaky clean block, mostly clean bearing surfaces that you cannot see. Just change the oil and clean the screen on the oil pick up every few hundred miles at first. If you see a lot of gunk, then maybe go further, but it will take some time. Also getting the oil hot while running can do wonders. On a engine that has set for so long, I would be curious about the valves sticking. MIne was in a museum for 15 years and most of the valves were stuck. The only way to know is have someone turn the crank and watch the valves go up and down. Once you determine that they move all or part of the travel then maybe turn it on the starter. Did you remove the starter and try it on a bench ? Remember this is 6volt positive ground.
  12. All good suggestions so far. I use Rotella 15/40 in my 32 and have no issues. As suggested clean out what you can from the valve gallery and make sure those drains are clear. As for the pan gasket, use Permetex or Form a Gasket on both surfaces, I think this car uses a slinger return line like mine from the rear main bearing and if the pan is not tight it will leak around that return line hole as it comes through the pan flange. It is not under pressure, only gravity feed but still the pan needs to seal around the hole. I did not see that you turned the engine yet ? I made up a crank tool by using a 1" black pipe and connectors and drilled and ground out the space for the pin that holds the pulley. See photo attached. Overall length is 14" . Just use a big crescent wrench to turn it. As for the oil filter, you can disconnect it for now and by-pass back to the pan. A by-pass filter does not do much anyway, it may cycle about 10% of the oil, so just change the oil regularly, you are not likely to drive it many miles to need a filter.
  13. I go to a car show every Tue. night. 50's music, not too loud. 50 to 60 cars just show up, mixed years, some newer some older. But driving in with a 32 Packard and everyone looks. They past right by those pony cars etc. and take a photo of mine. If we don't get our cars out no one will realize they exist and the sport will die. Young people need to see them before they can appreciate them, so go show yours and turn your hearing aid down, it could provide a great memory for some little kid, that may want to buy your car one day.
  14. Soak the end grain with Penetrol, leave the rest of the wood dry if not exposed to the elements. On interior door wood where rain water might get in, I prime with an oil based primer like Zinsser and then an oil based top coat like rustoleum and thin it a bit. On the fire wall a couple of coats of Zinsser, sand with 220 and then top coat with oil based, not lacquer. If using lacquer based top coat, then just primer and top coat as usual, the primer should penetrate the wood and seal it. Keep in mind that wood moves with humidity, and no paint till adhere forever.
  15. There are many survivor Packard's out there in much better condition that this one for less money, but anything that can be cleaned up and made safe is fun to drive. This car will never be invited to Pebble Beach anyway, so drive it around town like I do with my 901 and enjoy the high fives and waves from admiring folks at local shows and just have fun. I saw a 1932 12 cylinder car open car at Hershey last year for $1.3 M, and I suspect it was no better to drive than my under $ 50,000 sedan. Parts for these cars are expensive, and this one may become parts for some open car like so many others. One thing about Jay Leno, is that he appreciates all of them no matter what level or condition, which is good for our hobby.