TheYorkBell

Definitely one of those “just because it’s rare doesn’t mean it’s valuable” kind of deals. Don’t get me wrong, it’s interesting and I think it would be cool to see someone bring it back (would be some cool wacky advertising for a business) - but I think the owner is going to have a hard time selling this at any price, let alone the $10k asking.

I have no affiliation with the car or the listing. Listing info: RIGHT HAND DRIVE - ESTATE CAR - RUNS GOOD - BELIEVED TO BE THE ONLY ONE KNOWN TO EXIST. BELIEVED THAT ONLY 6 WERE BUILT - 3507 MILES SHOWING Auction Link: https://hibid.com/lot/174571077/1923-cardway-touring-4-door?ref=lot-list Auctioneer Information: Shackelton Auctions Inc. 519-765-4450

They are a good looking wheel - I have two sets for my 1988 944 na (my first car that I still have) which is why I noticed. You have a very nice setup there!

Are those Porsche Phone Dial wheels that you are using for hose reels?

Exactly, plus think about all of the people involved with the car who make a living from such things: the detailers, the mechanics/restoration shops, the advertisers, the transport driver, the auction house and related employees, the list goes on... While I agree I would not spend that much on a single car (I will also most likely never be in the place to even consider a purchase like this). To judge a decision to purchase this and call it a waste is subjective, but there are a lot of jobs provided because of collector cars like these - even the people who originally built it when it was an expensive/irresponsible purchase to begin with. Lots of good does come from people with money spending it on things that they don't need, we just don't always get to see how. Long story short, its not all black and white and we should not judge a decision like this just because we would not do the same.

I've always consider rare in terms of cars to mean at least less than triple digit numbers (less than 100) and honestly for me personally, less than 50 examples left. I do see many cars listed as "rare" when I would consider them more uncommon than anything - for example I used to own a 1966 Chrysler 300 Convertible and then made 2500 of these (a decently low production number) and some people therefore would call it rare, yet I could fairly easily look online and find several DIFFERENT examples that were for sale or had recently been for sale. That was my big marker, if I could easily find a half dozen or so different examples that had been on the market recently (last year or so) I would tend to say the car isn't "rare" but rather uncommon. Obviously, there are potential exceptions, but I digress. Rarity and value also do not necessarily go hand in hand. I own a 1918 Bell Motor Car, there are two 1917 Bell cars known to exists and then mine (so mine is technically the only 1918 Bell known) - does that make it rare? YES Does that make it special? To me, YES, to most other people its just another of the many orphan prewar cars out there. Is it valuable? Once it's complete, not particularly. At least not in the grand scheme of things, but that car was made local to me and I enjoy history (and thigs that are different) so here we are. Just my 2 cents.

I do agree that many "projects" seem to be far out of reach or just plain make no financial sense. BUT I don't think most of us got into this hobby to make money (some of the lucky ones here have been able to turn it into a business or career, but largely speaking that's not why we are in the hobby). If everyone thought "rationally" and "financially responsible" about restoring cars, there are a lot of cars that are here today that otherwise would have been scrapped - long lost to the frailty and greed of man like so many other things. What is great about our hobby is that the value comes in more than the monetary - our hobby is living history and we get to share that and show that to other people. To see people's eyes light up when they see a car that sparks a memory or the smile on a young child's face when they get to sit in the driver seat of one of our old machines because it makes them feel excited and special. The value and return we see in our hobby may not always return in the form of money (most times I would say it does not) but it comes back to us nonetheless knowing that we have preserved a small piece of history for future generations, built friendships and relationships, family bonding, you name it - all of that is worth way more than the financial aspect ever will be. A few years ago I purchased the remains of a 1918 Bell Motor Car at a local auction. I was 22 at the time and still in college. I spent most of my savings at the time (which wasn't a lot), not because I thought it made any financial sense, but because the car was built in my hometown, and I fell in love with it and the idea of bringing it back to its former glory. I am well reserved to the fact that I will have more time and money wrapped up into this car than it will ever be worth, but that does not matter to me in the least as I've already met and have become friends with a lot of great people - all because I made the "financially irresponsible" decision to buy what remains of a (at the time) 102 year old car. And knowing what I know now, I'd make the same "stupid" decision all over again.

I enjoy seeing what's out there (especially around me) and what good deals there are to still be had. I really enjoy the more unique stuff and learning from those who have more knowledge on the cars and leave comments. Right now I've been more interested in the Prewar project cars that are being posted as I'm currently looking for a donor chassis for my 1918 Bell motor car. (PS for anyone on here, please check out the post on my profile if you think you might have a frame you'd like to sell).

That's my thought as well - I was very tempted to grab this to make a Speedster out of it!!

If I wasn't already in the middle of my 18' Bell Motor Car (and had the room) I'd go grab this and do something with it - definitely a neat little setup.

I have no affiliation to the car or the listing. I did watch this item on eBay and the seller sent an offer to purchase for $2000 so he seems motivated to sell. Listing Information: 1924? Hudson Super 6 frame Parts. Selling for friend estate. No paperwork. Arrange your shipping with winch from 01535 please Ebay User: smdwoods Listing Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/255369840660

I have no affiliation with the car or the listing. Listing Information "Renault is torpedo 1923 Chassis , Engine , And Miscellaneous Parts. Condition is "Used". Frame in good condition what you see is what you will get has motor but the head is broken. Have front fenders a door possible gas tank? And some othe parts rims are in great shape trying to sell the whole thing but will consider offer on parts Local pick up only" Ebay User: barnfindcollectibles Link to Listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/255925056161

Still looking for any leads - thanks!

Bumping this back to the top - still looking for parts/info for 1917 Pullman/1918 Bell Motor Car. Thank you!

Bump - Still looking

This definitely looks closer, as the hood louvers don’t run the whole way to the front of the hood like a Hupmobile or many of the others that look close.

My guess would be about a 1927 Chevrolet

Looks like it may be a 1916 Overland Model 83A

Agreed - I also think the owner is more referring to how in the photos it appears they made a new wood body for it. Looks like they disassembled it back down to the frame and that’s where it is now sitting.

I have no affiliation with the car or the listing https://vermont.craigslist.org/atq/d/shelburne-vim/7679968378.html From the Listing: 1916 Vim. See photo. This is what car looks like when built. It is parts. It was together at one time Email:1874a54def3b31a0ac69f4f53e2bcf1f@sale.craigslist.org

I have no affiliation with the car or listing https://showlow.craigslist.org/pts/d/woodruff-1930s-car-body-unknown-maker/7685982935.html From the Listing: 1930's Car frame/body by unknown maker. $650 Phone: (928) 243-7843 Email: 5932277d6e74323bb59cf72fd0c2bf40@sale.craigslist.org

I know this was posted years ago, but do you happen to still have the project car?

Still working on finding parts for my Bell - mainly focused on finding a good donor chassis to use. If you look on my profile I started a thread (and an Instagram account) for the restoration if you would like to follow.

Not mine and have no association with the car or seller. Pictures from the Craigslist ad and link to it are below. If you would like to contact the seller here is the email provided in the listing: 2be9c5f44ddb31fba9da085b3e485bc9@sale.craigslist.org https://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/d/auburn-1923-bugatti-body/7680455022.html

Hello, If anyone can help put me in the direction of a Grant Six frame/chassis that would be much appreciated. I was told by a friend that there were two incomplete cars for sale on the east coast a few years back (that he was trying to buy and was unsuccessful). Not sure if anyone has those cars or knows what happened to them, but any lead would be greatly appreciated! The closer to York, Pa the better - but am obiously willing to travel to make a deal.