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1 hour ago, RivNut said:
Recently there was a discussion as to where the factory intended this lamp to be mounted. Nothing concrete came from that discussion. I called a friend of mine who deals in a lot of 1st gen Riviera parts and asked him what he knew about this. He said that he had a dealer manual that dealt with the installation of accessories at the dealership and thought he'd remembered seeing this. He couldn't remember exactly where it was suggested that the lamp be mounted but he did remember that when new, the lamp came with three clips that went on the inner trunk frame so the lamp could be mounted without drilling any holes. Sorry that I don't know more.
I think that in that discussion with the evidence given by Tom M., Tom T. and Rivdrivn we have pretty good evidence pointing to the placement location of the trunk light. See Pics 1-4
Pics 5-6 show the clips Ed is referring to and the hex head screws used. Tom M. recalled (see below) that the clips may have been used when mounting the light under the hood. From the set up of the Riviera trunk I think that one is going to have to drill holes and use just the hex head screws to mount the trunk light. It may be different for other years and models.
Tom M. said:
"Over the years I have bought and installed these kits....but it has been a long time ago. They were very common to show up in the `80`s at most Buick swap meets.
The kits contained 2 different jumper harnesses. There were also 3 hex head screws and clips to accept the screws when installing the light under the hood. There were instruction sheets which covered various years but I don't remember any Riviera specific instructions. I think the instructions may have been relatively generic."
"I don't think it is possible to locate the light smack dab in the center of the Riviera trunk lid because the depression in the center of the support ribs is larger in diameter than the feet of the trouble light. I remember fishing the jumper harness thru the voids created by the support channels and thru one of the oval holes near the center."
Bill
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3 minutes ago, NC68Riviera said:
It the bulb incandescent or LED?
Incandescent, # 1003.
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I have for sale a very nice John W. Hobbs accessory reel out trunk/under hood light. Long story short in my search for a reel out light for my car I ended up with 2 of them. Originally this is the one I was going to put in my car. It has been cleaned, repainted and tested. The line pulls out and retracts smoothly and the lens is perfect. One thing I noticed with these lights is that when you take them in and out the bracket scratches the top of the light and the bottom of the light scratches the bracket. I added felt to the underside of the bracket arms and also to the bottom of the light. This should eliminate or at least minimize the scratches keeping the light looking like new. With the felt pads on the bottom of the light also enables you to place the light on any surface without worrying about it scratching that surface. The felt is removable if you so choose. I am offering it to forum members for what I paid for it. $80.00 plus S & H. Please PM me if interested. Thanks.
Bill
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I am looking to buy 2 of the original rear license plate frames that the 1963-1965 Rivieras came with from the factory. I know from a previous thread that front frames were also available. I would be interested in one of those as well. If anyone has a frame that they would sell or know of anyone that has them please PM me. Thanks.
Bill
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Refresh-Reasonable offer.
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New price $25.00
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49 minutes ago, RivNut said:
If you'll look at the last entry on the window sticker for my '63, you'll see what Buick called "Custom Trim with Bucket Seats in Leather." Not a bad deal for $188.
Custom it is. That is a great deal. What is that in 2018 dollars? Wouldn't it be nice to be able to customize again and make a few choices with the vehicles we buy today instead of other people deciding what we can and cannot have.
Bill
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2 hours ago, Red Riviera Bob said:
Custom interior option? I have the leather seat option in my 63 Riv.,I do not think the leather option on the 63 is custom. Can you please give an example of what you mean by custom interior option?
Thank you,
Red Riviera Bob
I think Bob's confusion may be the use of the word "custom". I have always heard the non-standard interior referred to as the "deluxe interior". Whether this is right or wrong I don't know. I think custom may carry a little different connotation than deluxe. The 63 color -trim book doesn't really make any terminology designation when it shows the custom or deluxe interior. It just says " Standard Trim Not Shown". In the 1963 color-trim book it seems to show that the standard interior is the only interior that comes with all vinyl and that the custom or deluxe interior comes with the choice of cloth with vinyl trim or leather with vinyl trim.
Bill
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17 minutes ago, Bdad said:
'63 Riv. White leather interior. Passenger seat. One of the buttons came lose. Have the button. Anyone every repaired? Do I need to go to an auto upholstery shop or is there a way to get it back on or do I need to glue or?
Have had 3 different buttons pop off on my car. The top half will pop back on. Easier to do if you can get to the backside of the button where where it goes through the seat cushion and apply pressure from the backside while pushing on from the front. Not essential though. I applied some epoxy just to make sure they did not pop off again. Seems to have worked so far.
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I just purchased a beautiful NOS tail light lens with center medallion from Tom Mooney. Of course, now I need another one to match this because it looks so nice. If anyone has a 1963 NOS tail light light lens with center medallion that they would like to part with or know of anyone that may have one please PM me. I know that CARS, Inc. sells the repros but, I would like to see if I could find the OEM first. If someone has just the NOS 1963 center medallion (if they produced them separately) I would be interested in that. The part number for the lens is 5953877. Thanks.
Bill
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2 hours ago, Riviera63 said:
My standard trunk light has the same short pigtail with the orange power wire right there where the light is. I believe that you remove the standard light and replace it with the reel out light. I have been in contact with Tom T. (telriv). He stated that when mounting the reel out light he used the hole that was used to mount the original trunk light as one of the mounting holes and that the new light plugged into the original power wire.
Bill
Revision of this post. What I said about the pigtail is correct. Tom T. (telriv) got back to me and said he had to recant what he said. He bought his light as an add on option 50 years ago and the memory was sketchy. He now remembers that he left the original trunk light in the upper right hand corner. The directions with the light directed him to put the light in the position shown in the pictures, I asked him what he did for power and will update as soon as I hear from him.
Bill
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58 minutes ago, Seafoam65 said:
The safest way to avoid drilling too deep is by putting a piece of vacuum hose over the drill bit cut to the depth you desire.
Great tip! So simple.
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1 hour ago, KongaMan said:
Seems strange that they would put such a short pigtail on a light that is supposed to be mounted a couple of feet away from the power source. Would they really expect the installer to make a 2' jumper?
My standard trunk light has the same short pigtail with the orange power wire right there where the light is. I believe that you remove the standard light and replace it with the reel out light. I have been in contact with Tom T. (telriv). He stated that when mounting the reel out light he used the hole that was used to mount the original trunk light as one of the mounting holes and that the new light plugged into the original power wire.
Bill
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1 hour ago, 1965rivgs said:
Not criticizing you or anyone else Bill. As I suggested twice in my post, I thought that perhaps I had missed something in the thread.
BTW, I may have not chosen my words well in post #3. The illustration appears earlier than 1968 but I chose the `68 illustration because it was much larger than earlier versions and presented better upon scanning. The car looks like it may be a `64 or `65 Skylark? Good luck with the trouble light,
Tom
Thanks Tom.
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9 hours ago, RivNut said:
I think that Tom Mooney's post with a picture of the factory brochure would be pretty much right on.. That's where the factory advertised it; I would think that's where they intended for it to be installed. Where other's have installed it is their choice. Did they do it for convenience, because that where the instructions said to post it, or was it out of the way of other items in the trunk. If no one is sure where it goes, what difference does it make.
Ed,
We could go back and forth about this forever. You and Tom think you are correct, I get that. Once again that brochure is from 1968 and what is correct in 1968 might not be correct for 1963-1967. Just as what is correct placement on a Buick is not correct for a Pontiac, Oldsmobile etc. Once again, no one has stated one way is right or wrong, just gathering info. In the end it may not make any difference at all but, I reserve the right to gather information and make an informed decision based on that information.
If anyone out there has constructive information on this topic I would like to hear what you have to say. Otherwise, I am out.
Bill
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On 4/25/2018 at 9:22 AM, telriv said:
Mine is attached to the trunk lid in the original location of the standard trunk light.
8 hours ago, Rivdrivn said:Saw this one at BCA Milwaukee. High scoring car but I’m not sure if the position of the light is correct
On 4/24/2018 at 10:17 PM, 1965rivgs said:This accessory first appears in the `64 literature. To reinforce Ed`s post the illustration is from the full size `68 accessories catalog but appears earlier in a smallish picture. Later accessory catalogs illustrate installation under the hood.
Arthur, how did you date your accessory. If by the package/box was there installation instructions which included mounting under the hood? Thanks,
Tom Mooney
I don't recall that anyone has discounted any of the above references and said one is right and one is wrong. As you can see there are 3 quotes listed here with 3 different options. Tom T's placement on his car makes sense as the reel out lights have a small pig tail identical to the pig tail the standard trunk light plugs into. A central location also makes sense. However, is what is right for 1968 going to be right for 1963(even though not an option), 1964, 1965 .1966 or 1967? It is removable so you can put it wherever you want.
I think the original reason of the thread and the reason of my reviving the thread is to gather information and gather as much information as they can before deciding on a course of action. I'm sure there are others that may benefit from the information gathered here as they do on other threads. I don't think someone should be criticized for wanting to gather as much information as they can to find out what is correct and what is not. If I didn't care I wouldn't ask. It may well be that no one knows the answer but, I would like to ask first. I'll get the info I can and make an informed decision.
Bill
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3 minutes ago, Rivdrivn said:
Saw this one at BCA Milwaukee. High scoring car but I’m not sure if the position of the light is correct
Thanks for that. I was there and missed that one. Do you remember what year? The plot thickens.
Bill
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2 hours ago, rodneybeauchamp said:
Rodney,
It just runs along the firewall and along the inner fender well. I just used any of the metal tabs on the firewall and the black plastic clam shell clamps on the fender well that hold other electrical wires to secure it.
Bill
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On 4/25/2018 at 9:22 AM, telriv said:
Mine is attached to the trunk lid in the original location of the standard trunk light.
I am reviving this thread as I would like to get one of these lights for my 1963 and would like to know where it is located and how connected. What telriv says makes sense from the little bit of info I have been able to get from other sources. I was told that you remove the standard trunk light and the reel out light connects into the orange wire where the old light did. I inspected my trunk light and it has a small black wire that is a few inches long which connects to the orange power wire. I have seen this same small black wire on reel out lights I have viewed online. I was also told that the light is attached by screws into clips that attach to the trunk lid. I have also seen lights online that have clips and screws.
I would appreciate if there is anyone out there that can confirm or deny the things I have been told and/or add more info. A picture of the correct light or a picture of the light mounted to a trunk lid would be super. Thanks.
Bill
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9 hours ago, rodneybeauchamp said:
Hi all,
would somone be able to post a picture of the position of the wiring for the 4 note horns on a ‘63. In particular where it all fits around the horns.
Many thanks
Rodney ?????
Hi Rodney,
I got some pics. Right or wrong this is what is on my car.
Pic 1-Horn arrangement
Pic 2-Single wire connects to large horn
Pic 3-Single wire from large horn goes to small horn and connects
Pic 4-Wire from small horn connector goes to firewall and runs along side of fender
Pic 5-Wire from small horn connects to connector on horn relay where blue wire was originally in stock horn set up
Pic 6-Small pig tail wire from end of 4-note horn wire connects to blue wire which runs to stock horns in grill
Hope this helps.
Bill
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3 hours ago, rodneybeauchamp said:
Hi all,
would somone be able to post a picture of the position of the wiring for the 4 note horns on a ‘63. In particular where it all fits around the horns.
Many thanks
Rodney ?????
Hi Rodney,
I will try to get out to where the Riv is stored and get you some pictures this morning.
Bill
For Sale: John W. Hobbs Accessory Reel Out Trunk/Under Hood light
in Buick Riviera
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Thanks Tom, good advice.
Bill