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I would guess the Pierce is an early 1920's vintage. I wander if the dignitaries might be Orville Wright, and one of the military officers that he took along for early flight tests?

Pierce Arrow touring car.

I"ve seen a LOT of Chevy dealership promo stuff. But not airplanes like this before.

Wow, that's a wild-looking one! Look at those outsized knock-off hub caps. The ill-fitting rear fenders make me think this must be cut down and re-bodied, in the rear section. I can't wait to hear what the experts on this forum will reveal about this car.

Wow, wouldn't this be AWESOME to find, if it were the exactly-correct unit for your roadster or coupe, and your original unit was badly damaged? I love the fact that this forum helps people to ID oddball old parts, so that people who need them can be hooked up with them. Very cool indeed.

Wow, an amazing amount of terrific information, from some really sharp people. I am truly enjoying this forum. Thanks, everyone. Now, to find those old negatives.... And then, I have HUNDREDS of photos from the antique car club events my family attended from the late 1950's through the early 80's. I should dig them out also, and see if you folks can help me ID the cars that I don't already know. I hope I won't bore you all to tears.

Looking at the original photos, I DO see a vacuum tank on that early sedan in the first photo. For the Zephyr, even looking at the original print under a magnifying glass, I cannot make out enough of the trunk handle area to be sure. So I looked at the original SCAN of the photo, and blew it up multiple times. In that enlarged image, there appears to be a license plated mounted down low on the deck lid...which might suggest '38. However, the rough texture of the photo paper which this image was printed on renders details almost impossible to see clearly. This detective work has become fascinating now. I think I'll dig out the musty-dusty old boxes of film negatives, from the years when my mom shot photos of our family, and see if I can find the negs of that vacation trip. If so, I'll get new prints made, and post again. Besides, my dad and I caught a lot of fish on that trip, and I would like to blow up some images of he and I proudly showing off our catches. I lost him to a car accident only a few years after this trip.

Wow, if a Hansa is that uncommon, it might actually be worth it to save some of the parts you found, regardless of their condition! Amazing stuff.

Wow. You guys are GOOD! I love it.

Wow. I've never seen a Hansa before, that I can recall. Tell us, does it have hydraulic brakes and 4-lug hubs? We Americans are used to trying to ID our own US-made cars, and often misidentify features on European-built cars. That is a handsome car, by the way.

Keiser31, looks like you got it exactly! It's funny how cars like these were not that special then. Indeed, the Zephyr would have been just over 30 years old at the time. Wow.

That Studebaker sure looks right to me, Grandpa. Does anyone recognize the dash in the second photo to confirm it as a Studebaker, maybe?

Yeah, the belt line appeared to have two ribs, instead of one (which SEEMED to be what I saw in pix of Caddy's which I found online). It looks a bit like a Chrysler. I think I can see a fan blade from an engine. It's a shame I don't have more photos with more details.

I have a nice old 23 Model R 12, which my family has owned for years. I don't really NEED a parts car, I suppose. I do have an extra engine, trans, radiator, and some other spares. But I have often thought of having a "parts car" around, "just in case." My hood sides were repaired LONG ago with body filler, and i have thought of finding replacements...but that's not urgent. I don't have good top saddles (Or at least, I don't THINK I do...) I have a box full of mix-n-match top saddles which I have acquired over many years, but I don't know exactly what the correct top iron saddles would look like for my car. Do you? Do you have a bunch of Model R Hupp spares lying about?

Sorry about the lousy photos. They were taken LONG ago, and they're all I have...except the memory. Our vacation was a fishing trip that year, and we traveled from Southern Ohio to our final destination in northern Minnesota. I SUSPECT that these cars were in Wisconsin, because that is where we ran out of interstate highways, and had to drive on back roads. Does anyone recognize or remember this yard?

There was another photo taken of cars in that yard that day, from farther away. But the photo was printed on that textured-finish stock which was popular back then, so details are obscured. Any ideas on the late 30's/early 40's sedan?

I think that's a white 63 Buick on the driver's side of the old sedan, and in the 2nd photo, there is a 64 Plymouth and a 1960 Pontiac in the background. I'm sure the sedan is a common, easily identified car, but I have to admit that I don't recognize it.

I just found an old box filled with photos of cars, from my family's years in the Southern Ohio Chapter of the AACA. from the 1950's to the late 70's. I'll add some photos here and there, and ask for help from the old-car detectives on this fabulous forum. Starting out, I have some photos of a junk yard my parents stopped at during a vacation in about 1970. There was an old 1920's sedan sitting there, which my mom photographed. I was a teenager, just at the age where I was learning to drive, and dreaming of having my own car. EVERY older car that I saw looked like an "easy project," which I hoped my dad would help me to get running so I could drive it to school. I climbed inside this rusted hulk, and crouched down like I was in the (missing) driver's seat. I'll bet this will be an easy one, but I just don't recognize it myself. So, Old-Car-ID-Detectives...what kind of old car was I sitting, back in those days when I still had hair?

Well done, Dr Watson!

The radiator shell looks like a 1929 Pontiac. But I noticed hydraulic brake wheel cylinders, which would not have been originally installed on a 29 Pontiac. The axles or hubs may have been from a different, later model car, which someone added years ago, or you may have parts of more than one vehicle here.

Wow. I could use a parts car, I suppose. But I'm not going to Washington state to retrieve one. LOL

Right on, Polara. But again, even if those original joints are worn...it won't make too much difference (unless they are dangerously loose). Most of us don't drive these cars enough to cause excessive tire wear anyway. Drive it and enjoy it!

I always tell folks who ask my opinion about such matters that, IF you are not attempting to defraud anyone, or to set up a situation which will lead to someone else getting defrauded down the line...then any punishment would be unlikely. But if you buy a title and then change serial numbers on a vehicle to match that title...and then eventually happens (IE: that VIN number kicks back at a title agency because of a stolen car or such)...you might find yourself with a very big problem. MANY people, when they find a cool old car in a barn and buy it with a notarized bill of sale (from a legitimate owner), will "sell" their car through the mail to someone in one of those states which do not require a "title" for cars older than a certain age. Then the "buyer" takes the notarized bill of sale into his title agency, and gets a brand new title issued in HIS name. Now he legally owns "your" vehicle. Next, he visits a notary and signs that title out of his name, as the "seller." Then the title is mailed back to you. Now you take that notarized title to your own local notary, sign your name to it as the "buyer," and take it to your state's title bureau. They may require an inspection, but soon you will have a new title for that car issued in your name. MUCH safer than altering VIN's, which is highly illegal. On the other hand, should it turn out that the car you bought from the barn was listed as stolen years ago....you have a problem, Houston.

Yeah, not a 54, anyway. 1954's had a totally different grille style, which it shared with early 1955 models.

Rats. Finally found one I could ID, and Keiser beat me to it. LOL. Well done, sir!