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2017 Buick Club of America National Meet Brookfield, WI July 5-8

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Al is correct.  All judging sheets are kept at the BCA Office.  You can call them and request a copy.

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I need to vent a little here....I was going to go to the National Meet in Brookfield, after all, it's just 3 hours from my house.  My plan was to bring the car down on Saturday morning as I had to work that week.  Just so I had a little more information, I called the phone number provided to ask a few more questions, ie...parking, where I go when I get there, etc.... I told the gentleman I was coming Saturday to have my GS judged but he said I had to pre-register and since I wasn't pre-registered, I would have to pay a late fee.  I asked him why I had to pre-register and he said something about having the right amount of judges for the Saturday judging, or some sort of rot like that.   I didn't understand that at all and in fact thought that rule was stupid!  I guess I don't understand, you want people to bring their Buicks to the National Meet, but yet, you want to punish them for not pre-registering and you won't allow them to arrive on Saturday for judging.  I ponered this rule and decided I would forego the National Meet and take the GS to the Iola Old Car Show.  I think you need evaluate your rules and allow someone to bring their Buick to the meet on Saturday just for the judging, WITHOUT having to pay a stupid late fee.    I have seriously been thinking about dropping my membership in the BCA if you are going to have stupid rules like these.   Thank you for your time.   John

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John,

 

Just so you know, I have no official position in your "battle", but you should be aware that first, the Buick Club is not much different that most individual manufacture clubs or the AACA. In fact in my experience, our Registrars are far more linent, and understanding then the AACA , as far as deadlines go.  

 

You have been a BCA member about the same time as me, so you should have been aware.  I know we had about 15 people to register that morning, as I was there.  The late fee is not "stupid", but something the BCA instituted to reduce the number of last minute, which over-taxes the registration process.  

 

Some of us came all the way across the country.  Before you leave, I encourage to read the Bugle, question on the forum, well before the  week before the show.  Some of us have been answering similar questions for months before the show.  We run a rather tight ship to run a meet with about 400 cars (not all judged) on  time.  As an "active" member at the age of 80, I consider it a your attitude a bit insulting to the organization's work to run a smooth show .  I hope my thoughts do not drive you away, but I think more about your attitude.  I take it you do not belong to a local chapter, as the surely would have helped you understand and likely would have liked to recruit you as some local help.

 

Don't know about Iola, but you missed a well run good show. 

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As the official registrar, I have no authority to lower the fees.  The fees are decided and published far in advance of the show.  Personally, it was not pleasant for me to handle such situations.  I know telling people it is almost $100 to bring their car to the show and participate for a day is not encouraging, nor beneficial to the BCA.

 

The most common situation is this: A local non-BCA member heard about the show.  They are proud of their Buick and are very excited about bringing their car to a National Meet in their back yard and want to participate.  For most of them, it is their first experience with the Buick Club of America.  You should their look of disappointment and frustration on their faces when I told them about the fees they would have to pay, even just for one day.  Most of them walked away, not wanting (or simply couldn't afford) to pay those fees.  And I'm sure that didn't feel welcome.  The ones that paid the fees were not happy about it, either.

 

After the meet, I sent an email to the board members explaining this situation and asked that they consider a special, affordable  'One Day' entry fee to address this situation.  This will be a much smaller fee to bring one car onto the show field for Display on Saturday during the show, and it will apply to both members and non-members.  I think the idea was well received and I will follow up with the BOD to see if we can get that in place for the next show.

 

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I have personally witnessed Roy's patience while explaining the situation to non-members and members alike.  He has far more patience than I at my stage in life.  I am most sympathetic to those late arrivals who may not be current BCA members and agree with Roy that a lesser fee should be applicable.  As an aside, on Friday, I saw a '68 Riviera the same color combo as mine drive out of the parking lot in the late evening. On Saturday, I was hoping for a closer look, but I never did see the car on the show field.  The owner must have decided at Friday, he did not want to partake in the show.

 

I am less tolerant of those such as GSJohn that had much time, as BCA Members, to prepare and still seem confused as to rules, regulations of the organization.  The "rules" regarding registration are more than fare and allow rather late last minute refunds if you need to cancel, to avoid late fees.  This year cars had individual parking places for each registered car on Saturday morning. These were assigned early in the week with updates through Saturday morning, I believe.   Denver may be to far away for GS John, but I encourage others to simply inquire on the forum well in advance and not wait until the day, or two, before Saturday judging to make an entry, if you have any questions as to  the procedure.

 

Note to Roy: Note GSJohn wanted his car judged, and is a member.

 

John

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I have seen something like this reduced fee implemented at other National meets with other organizatons. I think they called it "Cruisers Class" and was a way for local folks not associated with the club to bring in their cars for the day. They were not eligible for points judging, but there was a people's choice kind of thing to selected a certain number of them.

 

Seems like a nice way to attract local Buick owners, not interested in the full Meet and have them participate just for the day. Probably similar to showing up as a driver class at Hershey.

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6 hours ago, parkertom said:

 Probably similar to showing up as a driver class at Hershey.

 

Ah but the driven class at Hershey is still a pre-register in advance class.

 

Its a no win for the BCA...As a BCA member one should have known better and take the time to understand how to participate, but we also need to take care of the customer and encourage participation. Personally I think the BCA needs to do a better job with FAQ's and communicating in as many locations as possible to set expectations of what the member must do.  But I know from experience that only goes so far and folks will still show up day of and expect to show their car.

 

At the end of the day I'm with Mr Schieb....it's a National meet...not a local cruise in...onus is on the member to understand what they need to do to participate.

 

my $0.02...

 

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2 hours ago, 38Buick 80C said:

 

Ah but the driven class at Hershey is still a pre-register in advance class.

I stand corrected re:Hershey.

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Since the National Meet is moved around the county and, since there are always some members who do not have experience attending prior National Meets, it is to be expected that snafu's of this nature are going to occur.  For anyone who felt dis-respected by the Club, I'll offer an apology. 

Not as an excuse but perhaps to explain, I believe it is more than just the show field space/arrangements. The organizers have to make several judgments in advance in order that those attending find the resources they want and desire at the event.  Things like the hospitality suite supplies, goody bags, windshield cards, and other small details that make a big difference, need to be made early enough in the set up process so that things can be ready.  

Judging of the cars is a major task unto itself.  Maybe the general perception is that there are scores of professional judges available on the field, but I do not believe that is the situation.  Judges come from the membership.  Volunteers who work through part of the main show day, to try and give a honest review of the car, when some of them may have only had one training class on what the judge is expected to do. Often the Judging Captain is begging for additional judges to assist and reduce everyone's workload.  Far too often the work load is overload on these volunteers.  I have participated as a judge several times.  In  Springfield,  MO I was assigned to my choice of the GS class.  14 cars, and 3 1/2 hrs later I missed much of the show itself.  In  Charlotte,NC  I did the 53-56 Class.  Can't remember how many cars, but it was after noon that I was finally released only to discover most people had already left the show field due to the heat.  It is unfair of anyone to show up unannounced and just expect that their vehicle can be judged.   And I personally believe that everyone who wants their car judged should also be a judge at that event. 

For those who follow at this point I just want to advise of one more thing.

It is not easy to pre-calculate judging results.  Every car entered in the 400 point judging is eligible for one of 4 awards; bronze, silver, gold, and gold senior. These combined can result in the need for a lot of awards.  All these have to be transported to the event and are assembled in the mid day after the judging results are tabulated, so that the awards are available for the banquet.  These, by the way, are assembled by the Office Staff and any one else who volunteers.  As those attending this show know, that did not happen this year. And I am sure some of the recipients affected were greatly disappointed that their award will have to be mailed to them.  But I would note that those affected handled the situation with grace and dignity.  Thank you to all who were disappointed and displayed no animosity. But for these and probably some other reasons not displayed, preregistration, as far in advance as possible, is most helpful.

 

 

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I wasn't at this National, but it's worth thanking Roy, John, judges and all the other volunteers who end up missing large portions of the show to stay behind at a table to ensure folks are registered and others can enjoy themselves.  Thank you!!

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Thanks, Doug.  I usually get a few hours to walk around after the registration desk closes each day.  And usually on Saturday, when the judging is taking place, I can get out and see the cars for a few hours.  My wife, Michelle, covers for me.  She works as hard as I do before and during the show.

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Roy,

 

I am embarrassed I did not mention Michelle in the first communication.  Glad we have the both of you, keeping everyone in-line and timely.

 

John

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 I'm one of the people that John referred to who did not receive an physical award at the presentation, as there were none left. Any idea when I will be getting it?

 Keith

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Learned that the office is still working on the archival awards, since there was a snafu in acquiring the plaques. A little more patience would be greatly appreciated.

 

On ‎8‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 1:41 PM, Buicknutty said:

 I'm one of the people that John referred to who did not receive an physical award at the presentation, as there were none left. Any idea when I will be getting it?

 Keith

 

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