jan arnett (2) Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Wanted spare tire mount for 1923 Dodge Screenside Pickup. Thanks Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Wood or disc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Can you modify a rear spare mount to be a sidemount? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Totally different. I would think you will have to make one. Should not be real hard if you can borrow one to copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 (edited) The brackets are cast so you would need a pair of good one to make a casting. Nothing like a rear mount and it holds a demountable rim so it doesn't make any difference wood or disc. Thanks Jan Edited March 22 by jan arnett (2) add picture (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mark Gregush Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 The rim itself looks to be standard rim. The upper brackets could be made if you are handy, that would leave the lower one to find or make. In late 1922 (around 647065) the bracket design was changed to hold the tire higher. The Master Parts List shows the three brackets as line items, but the rim is not shown as separate screen/panel item (that I could see). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Gregush Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 What exactly are you needing? Your post on Facebook shows it with brackets in place and a rim. Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 This conversation has my interest as I am building a 1923 Dodge Bros screen side but with disc wheels. The side mount bracket for the spare wheel is different, yet again, for a disc wheel spare wheel assembly. This bracket needs to support more weight than a wood wheel rim type bracket. It looks like I will be building the bracket using parts from a rear mount disc wheel bracket. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Jan, what is going to be your approach for your missing side mount bracket? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 You need to understand the story behind the truck. It came out of a barn that had ten cars in it and a lot of other junk. I got what I thought was a spare tire mount for the screenside. It is close but not correct. The mounts do not set the tire correctly and can not be used without relocation. I am going to try and shift the brackets and create new brackets out of mild steel. I need examples to get the proper location. For some reason they cut the bottom bracket half off. Here is what the inside of the barn looked like and what I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 On 3/24/2024 at 10:41 AM, alsfarms said: This conversation has my interest as I am building a 1923 Dodge Bros screen side but with disc wheels. The side mount bracket for the spare wheel is different, yet again, for a disc wheel spare wheel assembly. This bracket needs to support more weight than a wood wheel rim type bracket. It looks like I will be building the bracket using parts from a rear mount disc wheel bracket. Al Why would disk wheels be different from wood. You are only mounting the demountable rim and tire not the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 On 3/24/2024 at 10:31 AM, Mark Gregush said: What exactly are you needing? Your post on Facebook shows it with brackets in place and a rim. Facebook Mark what I have doesn't fit just looks good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 On 3/23/2024 at 12:31 PM, Mark Gregush said: The rim itself looks to be standard rim. The upper brackets could be made if you are handy, that would leave the lower one to find or make. In late 1922 (around 647065) the bracket design was changed to hold the tire higher. The Master Parts List shows the three brackets as line items, but the rim is not shown as separate screen/panel item (that I could see). Mark could I get a copy of that page. The mounts I have locates the spare tire to close to the fender and you can not mount a tire on it. Thanks jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) Jan, The spare tire/wheel for a disc wheel application mounts the complete wheel assembly, similar to how a spare disc wheel is mounted on a coupe, sedan or touring car. The disc wheel does not have a demountable rim similar to Chevrolet. I will post a picture of a disc wheel rear mount spare bracket assembly. If I am not lucky to find a proper disc wheel side mount assembly, I will modify this unit to work on my screen side project. Al Edited March 27 by alsfarms Clarity (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 58 minutes ago, alsfarms said: Jan, The spare tire/wheel for a disc wheel application mounts the complete wheel assembly, similar to how a spare disc wheel is mounted on a coupe, sedan or touring car. The disc wheel does not have a demountable rim similar to Chevrolet. I will post a picture of a disc wheel rear mount spare bracket assembly. If I am not lucky to find a proper disc wheel side mount assembly, I will modify this unit to work on my screen side project. Al I wonder if my mounts are for your car. My 23 Moon has disc wheels and demountable rims. Learn something every day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Gregush Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 The master parts list does not show the mounting brackets, just has them listed in parts. Sorry can't be much more help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Here is a picture of a disc wheel rear mount spare bracket. It is looking like I will be converting this one to a side mount for the screen side project. Al 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Jan, You are lucky to be able to start with a decent, complete truck at the onset. I am dealing with table scraps to build my rig. Do you have your top brackets, from front to back? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 22 minutes ago, alsfarms said: Jan, You are lucky to be able to start with a decent, complete truck at the onset. I am dealing with table scraps to build my rig. Do you have your top brackets, from front to back? Al All but one. Do you need pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Yes, I have none of the top brackets but intent to build them so I can install a correct configured top assembly. Pictures would be GREAT and if you are able, some basic measurements. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 28 minutes ago, alsfarms said: Yes, I have none of the top brackets but intent to build them so I can install a correct configured top assembly. Pictures would be GREAT and if you are able, some basic measurements. Al Al here are some pictures and I will get you measurements later. I also have two spare spare mounts if they will help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Hello Jan, I am glad that you started this chat regarding your need for a proper wood wheel side-mount spare bracket for your Screen Side. I am not as far along as you are, with my project, but I am gaining traction and collecting more parts from which I can start assembly of my screen-side project. The pictures you posted, of the top brackets, are certainly helpful! I do have the front brackets which mount the windshield uprights to the top front header, but I have none else. From you pictures, I can see that all of the brackets should not be hard to duplicate using flat bar or angle iron. When you get a chance, please post measurements of the other top brackets. Could you also include a picture of the connection of the top of the top of the body between the, e "C" cab panels and the top especially at the back of the cab? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 There's a blueprint for the roof of a screenside available from the DBC. Call or email the AACA library to get a copy. Gives all the dimensions for the roof. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Is the blue print full size or two scale? That information will be invaluable! Thanks for the reference. I wonder if the DBC has any blu prints of the wood wheel side mount bracket that could benefit Jan? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 The blueprint of the roof is about 24 X 36? I forget the letter size, maybe C?. I am currently going through Rodger Hartley's literature collection. He had hundreds of hand drawn pictures of STUFF, most with part numbers, what it fit, etc. Invaluable stuff in my mind. There MAY be a drawing of the mount, haven't found it yet but there isn't any in our collection. My fingers have been on almost every piece of stuff we have at AACA library. My suggestion would be to go through the roster that have screensides and start calling people. Lots of really good screensides out there. But I have never seen one in person with disc wheels. Not saying you couldn't get one. Just saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 I am waiting for information from the AACA librarian regarding the screen side Blueprint for the top assembly. Jan, have you made progress on your screen side spare tire bracket? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 22 hours ago, nearchoclatetown said: The blueprint of the roof is about 24 X 36? I forget the letter size, maybe C?. I am currently going through Rodger Hartley's literature collection. He had hundreds of hand drawn pictures of STUFF, most with part numbers, what it fit, etc. Invaluable stuff in my mind. There MAY be a drawing of the mount, haven't found it yet but there isn't any in our collection. My fingers have been on almost every piece of stuff we have at AACA library. My suggestion would be to go through the roster that have screensides and start calling people. Lots of really good screensides out there. But I have never seen one in person with disc wheels. Not saying you couldn't get one. Just saying. I hung the rim from a ceiling rafter to take measurements. Next I am going thru my scrap pile to find some bar stock that I can cut, weld and machine. Interesting enough I have an old hose reel that looks like it will supply the steel. I am also remanufacturing a front bumper which is missing the center pieces and it looks like this reel will also work. I have to go to a wedding in Italy next month, so I need to get this done before I leave. Any other pictures I can provide from my truck. Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 On 3/29/2024 at 11:32 AM, alsfarms said: Hello Jan, I am glad that you started this chat regarding your need for a proper wood wheel side-mount spare bracket for your Screen Side. I am not as far along as you are, with my project, but I am gaining traction and collecting more parts from which I can start assembly of my screen-side project. The pictures you posted, of the top brackets, are certainly helpful! I do have the front brackets which mount the windshield uprights to the top front header, but I have none else. From you pictures, I can see that all of the brackets should not be hard to duplicate using flat bar or angle iron. When you get a chance, please post measurements of the other top brackets. Could you also include a picture of the connection of the top of the top of the body between the, e "C" cab panels and the top especially at the back of the cab? Al Will this help 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Hello Jan, How many upright pockets are in a proper Dodge Bros screen side box that support the top? I have run across a box, it is rather straight but one back corner is messed up and it has a pocket on each of the four corners. I thought a correct box would only have pockets on the back corners. Please evaluate, you will see the corner that is messed up. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted April 2 Author Share Posted April 2 8 hours ago, alsfarms said: Hello Jan, How many upright pockets are in a proper Dodge Bros screen side box that support the top? I have run across a box, it is rather straight but one back corner is messed up and it has a pocket on each of the four corners. I thought a correct box would only have pockets on the back corners. Please evaluate, you will see the corner that is messed up. Al Doesn't look like Dodge bed to me. Here are pictures of mine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsfarms Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Ok, your pictures are good. Would you share a measurement or two with me that will help confirm that this box is what it was represented to me as? This box does have the runners that appear to fit the Dodge frame from 1923. What is the length of your box? What does the front panel of the box look like as this box is missing the front panel. It appears, from your pictures, that I was right, there is no front corner brackets are used on the front of the box. The support in that area comes from the side panels of the cab "C" panels. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan arnett (2) Posted April 3 Author Share Posted April 3 On 4/1/2024 at 9:15 PM, alsfarms said: Ok, your pictures are good. Would you share a measurement or two with me that will help confirm that this box is what it was represented to me as? This box does have the runners that appear to fit the Dodge frame from 1923. What is the length of your box? What does the front panel of the box look like as this box is missing the front panel. It appears, from your pictures, that I was right, there is no front corner brackets are used on the front of the box. The support in that area comes from the side panels of the cab "C" panels. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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