Guest Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 hello folks,since I'm already getting cabin fever and it's only december 4th, I've whipped up a little web page of my 1927 Buick adventure i had last August. Now I can relive it all winter long!Come along for the ride..... Link is below. mystic sea port Take a look, great fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ply33 Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Looks like it was a wonderful event. Too bad my car is too new (and on the other side of the continent). I love that type of event! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 thanks,if i read one more post on "Anonymous Posts" i'm going to quite the hobby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyDale Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Looks like a great time,old iron,good folks,good weather and in a very nice location.Great memories for everyone involved.diz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Tommy, Thank you for taking the time to share that event with us. Mark the second Saturday in September for the Pre 1942 Meet in Redding, Ct. Only an hour and a half drive out of NYC. Sal knows about this meet when it was here in Ridgefield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SalG (Sal Grenci) Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Several different groups from Long Island took the ferry from Orient Point. One from the Greater NY Region, (western LI/Queens) F R Porter Region (mid island)and Peconic Bay Region (east end, north fork). Everyone I spoke to had a great time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif" alt="" /> P.S. Bob, I have not been to the old Ridgefield event since before it moved. It was one of my favorites. SG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Thank you for a very interesting link. If Buick offered OHV on a 6-cylinder in 1927, why did major V8's not incorporate this until 1954-1955? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ply33 Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 I think the first of the post WW2 OHV V8s came out earlier than 54. Nonetheless, to go directly to your point: A L-head (a.k.a. flathead) engine is cheaper to build than an overhead design so there was a desire to use that by most manufacturers. According to the trusty old early 1960s Encyclopeadia Britannica (sp?) at my folks house, it is not feasible to make a L-head engine with over a 8:1 compression ratio. By the mid-1950s gasoline octane ratings were getting high enough that engines could be made with compression ratios above 8:1, and the higher the compression ratio you go to, the higher the volumetric efficiency of the engine. So, basically, better gasoline put the L-head engine out of businesss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Good points, Tod. It got me to thinking (dangerous) though, why did Buick use overhead valves if the fuel of the time did not allow the benefits of higher compression and, compared to L-head they were more expensive? BillP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Billp ~ Way back in 1914, when the OHV 4 Cylinder engine was a Buick mainstay, they produced a brochure showing their various automobile models. Within that brochure was an article entitled, "The Story of the Overhead Valve Motor. Its Power Producing Superiority and its Marked Fuel Economy." Buick was an early and continuous advocate and user of OHV engines.The title gives a glimpse into the OHV engine at a time when they were not generally in use. The article is five pages long and therefore too long to reproduce here. When I have the time, I will try to go through the article and pull out some of the stated major benefits of the OHV engine, at least as Buick saw them.hvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Thank you for your interesting responses. My reference to OHV V8's was based on my recollection of Ford (1954) and Chevy (1955). When did the other manufacturers go OHV? Also, it would seem that valve-train maintenance would be much easier if you can pull the heads and work on them on a bench, rather than having to work under the hood. Is this correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ply33 Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 I believe that the 1949 Olds "Rocket" 88 was the first of the post WW2 OHV V8 powered cars. And Chrysler introduced their first OHV hemi V8 in 1951. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 that's what is fun about cars in the 20's.they all looked alike, but had various technological advantages.Cadillac, v-8, with Harvey Earl joining Cadillac in 1927.Buick with OHV and the first production balance crank shaft in 1927.Buick in 1926 was new with four wheel external contracting brakes on four wheels, not just the rears like the 1925.I think Dodge brothers had the first hydraulic brake system.Vacuum tanks changed to fuel pumps.You cannot compare the technology without seeing it drive down the road. I'd like to see a pre- 30's hill climb sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 tommy ~ You are off by a couple of years on the Buick brakes. 1924 was the first year Buick had 4 wheel external contracting brakes. In 1923 they were on the rear wheels only. It was Harley Earl, not HarveyCadillac introduced the V-8 in 1915, but it was not an OHV engine. The first Cadillac <span style="font-weight: bold">OHV</span> V-8 was introduced in 1949In 1930 Cadillac introduced the V-16 and in 1931 the V-12. Both were <span style="font-weight: bold">OHV</span> engines. The V-12 was dropped in 1937 and in 1938 the V-16 abandoned the OHV concept.Maybe Buick introduced the balanced crankshaft in 1926 [i don't know], but their overhead valve engine goes all the way back into the early teens.hvs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 yes,a little lose on the facts... but yes, you see my point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 Virtually all Buicks have overhead valves. From the 1903 founding of Buick to the 2003's. In fact, Buick dealers were not happy trying to sell the Marquette companion car because it had a side valve engine. This contributed to the Marquette's low sales and quick demise. The Depression contributed too. I think the Marquette and maybe only 1 or 2 other models in a hundred years had anything other than a Buick Valve in Head ( OHV ) engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
critterpainter Posted December 8, 2002 Share Posted December 8, 2002 Actually Hudson had a counterbalanced crankshaft in the late teens, its what helped put the "super" in their super six engine Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HOOIE Posted December 8, 2002 Share Posted December 8, 2002 Neat Buick Tod. Gives me the itch to get my 29 Studebaker going. Did the encyclopedia say why it wasn`t feasible to go over 8.1 compression on the flatheads? Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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