aristech Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I am looking for a starter solenoid for my Pontiac 8. If anyone knows of one for sale or has one for sale I need one. The shop theta rebuilt my starter was not able to locate one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Whats wrong with it? If it is just the copper bolts, you would have an easier time locating those. I'll bet the solenoid is shared with some Buick, but I don't know which one. I recall nothing new available when I discovered a friend's 37 Roadmaster solenoid had one of its 2 windings burned out. He had to locate a used one and replace the copper bolts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pont35cpe Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Place to check, "Yesteryear" 941 743 7784 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobileparts Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Or simply call me, if you haven't procured one yet -- Craig -- 516 - 485 - 1935...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristech Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 Do the place I took my starters to be repaired they could not locate a replacement first pic is what it looked like when I pulled it off. second is what it looks like now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 That solenoid in the second pic doesn't look right at all. For one thing, the mounting holes are elongated, for another there is no relay on top. Are you going to repair the automatic start feature? It is the same system used on Buicks, and needs the relay. According to my 1937 Pontiac parts book the 1936 Ponitac 8 starter is #823881. The Delco number (according to the 1948 Delco catalog) is 727-S . The solenoid is Delco 1516 according to both sources. The relay is 1866750, and the cover is 1854151. Plate with copper contact bolts was 1853328, and Delco didn't list the bolts separately, but they would have been available in NORS aftermarket stuff. Solenoid rebuild kits were also available aftermarket, and can turn up on Ebay. The 37 Buick is not identical after all, but after looking at your pictures, it is very similar. I suspect the missing relay cover would fit, as well as the solenoid contact bolts. There are 2 windings in the solenoid. One goes from the small post to a large contact, and the other from the small post to ground. If neither one is burned out, the solenoid should be repairable. More good sources of Pontiac parts are Kurt Kelsey (P.M. KornKurt on this forum), and also California Pontiac Restoration, (pontiacparts.net). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristech Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Bloo said: That solenoid in the second pic doesn't look right at all. For one thing, the mounting holes are elongated, for another there is no relay on top. Are you going to repair the automatic start feature? It is the same system used on Buicks, and needs the relay. According to my 1937 Pontiac parts book the 1936 Ponitac 8 starter is #823881. The Delco number (according to the 1948 Delco catalog) is 727-S . The solenoid is Delco 1516 according to both sources. The relay is 1866750, and the cover is 1854151. Plate with copper contact bolts was 1853328, and Delco didn't list the bolts separately, but they would have been available in NORS aftermarket stuff. Solenoid rebuild kits were also available aftermarket, and can turn up on Ebay. The 37 Buick is not identical after all, but after looking at your pictures, it is very similar. I suspect the missing relay cover would fit, as well as the solenoid contact bolts. There are 2 windings in the solenoid. One goes from the small post to a large contact, and the other from the small post to ground. If neither one is burned out, the solenoid should be repairable. More good sources of Pontiac parts are Kurt Kelsey (P.M. KornKurt on this forum), and also California Pontiac Restoration, (pontiacparts.net). Thanks for your help. I am gonna contact him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) No problem When you get a minute, could you put a yardstick or straightedge or something up against the side-grilles of your hood, front to back, and tell me if they are completely flat or have a slight curve? My Master Six seems to have one of each. One of them must be warped. Edited January 5, 2020 by Bloo (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristech Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 Yes I will be at the shop tomorrow afternoon and I will check it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristech Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 On 1/4/2020 at 9:05 PM, Bloo said: No problem When you get a minute, could you put a yardstick or straightedge or something up against the side-grilles of your hood, front to back, and tell me if they are completely flat or have a slight curve? My Master Six seems to have one of each. One of them must be warped. Hope these help 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintage1 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Check with http://www.6vto12v.com. They restore starters and have some parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobileparts Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Hey Jermaine, I am still working on you --- just hitting some "NO"s so far.... I've got a few more calls to make -- will keep you informed. Yours, Craig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobileparts Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) Hey Jermaine, Craig here, Mobile Parts, too early left coast time to call you, will call you later. All phone calls to all the people / outfits I know -- and sadly , no one has one brand new, your search is going to have to continue....?? Your picture says clearly that your starter IS series 727 S and that is CRITICAL, and the correct DELCO part # IS. 1516..... At least, you do know that is 100 % correct -- so IF anyone has one -- if you confirm that it is for starter series # 727 S and the starter solenoid # is 1516 -- it will be correct..... Good Luck finding one Jermaine, talk to you later......Yours, Craig. Edited January 20, 2020 by mobileparts Typo (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristech Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just want to keep This fresh. Still looking for the solenoid. Below are compatible Solenoids Car Model Year Solenoid switch Graham 95,116,120 (RHD) (1937) 1516 La Salle 36-50 (1936) 1516 Studebaker Pres. 3C (1937) 1516 Pontiac 36-28 (1936) 1516 Pontiac 37-28CA (1937) 1516 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobileparts Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 C'mon somebody -- come through for Aristech / Jermaine --- really great guy... Contact your contacts -- somebody out there find one for him !!!! Good luck, Jermaine, anything pops up, you know I will call you. Yours, Craig..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95Cardinal Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) If you need the relay/contact set, they are usually available from eBay sellers. They are common to several makes/years, including LaSalle, Pontiac, Oldsmobile and some Chrysler products. According to my friend, the LaSalle expert, this is usually all you need to get the solenoid working again. This one is on ebay now: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1934-35-36-37-Cadillac-LaSalle-Chrysler-Desoto-Olds-Delco-starter-solenoid-relay/372699803781?epid=1953475580&hash=item56c6a3b085:g:UIgAAOSwKJ9bMhVw NEW INFO: Also waiting to hear back from a Buick collector who might have a complete solenoid assembly. I'll send you a PM as soon as I hear back. Edited February 4, 2020 by 95Cardinal added new info (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristech Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 Well I went ahead and ordered the one above. I just need to see some pictures of the order in which it goes together. The Starter rebuild shop I used took mine apart and I need to see the sequence it is to go back together. Thanks, Jermaine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) Check the windings in your solenoid. You should see ends of 2 windings connected to the small post. One winding goes from the small post to ground, the other winding goes from the small post to one of the large copper bolts. Check both with a continuity tester. A freebie Harbor Freight DMM will do fine. If the continuity of those 2 windings check ok, your solenoid is fine. Solenoid trouble is ALMOST ALWAYS the copper bolts. Look for erosion where the copper disc touches them. 90% chance they are all you need, as they are the only normally wearing parts. The little relay probably does not need replacing either, though the NOS one in the pictures sure looks nice. Some manual I have shows how to set those relays up. You just drag something like a points file or a metal nail file (not sandpaper) lightly, only enough to scrape the surface corrosion, and from then on it is like setting up a voltage regulator. There is a spec for air gap and a spec for points gap, and a minimum voltage to make it pull in. I am not near my books at the moment. I would be happy to find this and post it if you need it. If Pontiac didn't put it in the shop manual Buick or MOTOR probably did. That new relay is probably ready to go as-is. It is fairly important that you find a cover to keep the relay from getting clobbered. The adjustments are fairly delicate. If your old one doesn't work, misadjustment due to clobbering is a far more likely cause than anything electrical, despite it's corroded appearance. A Buick cover is the same. Pay attention that the cover does not touch either of the 2 terminals coming out from under it. Sorry I don't think I took pictures of the order things go together when I rebuilt the 37 Buick solenoid. It is a shame the guy left yours apart. If you post some good close-ups I could probably tell you what goes where. There is a threaded adjustment on the solenoid plunger. Don't omit it. It needs to be done whether the solenoid is old or new. You hold the OUTER PART of the plunger all the way in, and measure from the tip of the drive gear to the starter nose housing. I think it's 1/8", but would have to look it up. A drill bit makes a handy gauge to check the gap. Bob's Automobilia has the rubber boot that goes over the plunger. Save the clamp. Edited February 4, 2020 by Bloo (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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