Mark Huston Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I was recently doing some research in the Studebaker master body parts catalog to clarify which years and models of Studebaker’s may have used the same style interior door handles that are on my 1929 Studebaker President. The terminology used by Studebaker now has me confused. In the 1929 Studebaker sales catalog they used the term “German silver” to describe the finish on the interior door handles. In the parts catalog they indicated that early 1929 Studebaker’s have “Butler finish” and later in the 1929 production “Nickel finish.” I was always under the impression that German silver was a fancy way of saying Nickel finish. Is there a difference between these three descriptions? If so, what is the difference between Butler finish, German silver, and Nickel finish when referring to the interior door handles? I have attached a picture of the interior door handles of my 1929 Studebaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 (edited) According to the www, this is what I find: German silver or nickel silver is an alloy of 60 per cent copper, 20 per cent nickel and 20 per cent zinc. A butler finish is a finish produced by fairly fine abrasive, resulting in many parallel lines. Also known as a satin finish or a brushed finish. Merriam-Webster define it as a satin finish produced on silver by first buffing bright and then dulling to simulate the appearance of old silver Edited December 16, 2016 by Spinneyhill (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldenguy Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 A " Butler" finish is a very fine scratching of the original plating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Huston Posted December 16, 2016 Author Share Posted December 16, 2016 Thank you both for the clarification. I now I have a better understanding of the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickelroadster Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 German silver door handles are solid alloy. Plated ones are often times pot metal. German silver can be polished back up with a lot of work unlike plated handles which usually need to be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Wasn't that a process called 'electroless nickle' ? I am wondering if that is available today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldenguy Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I am not sure of the complete process of "electroless nickle". I do know that I had 5 - 36" steel rims redone with "electroless nickle" and found the cost was very favorable. Less than 2/3 s the cost of regular nickle plating. The end result on the car was outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 This is the overview by wikipedia: "Electroless nickel plating is an auto-catalytic reaction used to deposit a coating of nickel on a substrate. Unlike electroplating, it is not necessary to pass an electric current through the solution to form a deposit. This plating technique is to prevent corrosion and wear. EN techniques can also be used to manufacture composite coatings by suspending powder in the bath.[1] Electroless nickel plating has several advantages versus electroplating. Free from flux-density and power supply issues, it provides an even deposit regardless of workpiece geometry, and with the proper pre-plate catalyst, can deposit on non-conductive surfaces." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldenguy Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Thank you Spinneyhill !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curti Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 How feasible is EN to do in a home shop ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinneyhill Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Here is a "simple" electroplating method with nickel: http://www.instructables.com/id/High-Quality-and-safe-Nickel-Plating/ Caswell supply kits for electroless nickel plating: http://www.caswellplating.com/electroplating-anodizing/nickel-plating-kits/electroless-nickel-plating-kits.html Just remember that nickel plating is porous and corrosion will follow. So you need copper first - copper is not porous. These people offer the service for firearms, giving a list of impressive advantages: https://robarguns.com/custom-firearm-finishes/electroless-nickel/ Wikipedia give a good rundown about it, including these disadvantages: "Disadvantages include: Lifespan of chemicals is limited. Waste treatment cost is high due to the speedy chemical renewal. Porous nature of electroless plating leads to inferior material structure compared to electrolytic processes. Each type of electroless nickel also has particular advantages depending on the application and type of nickel alloy." Here is something about surface preparation: bren.ucsb.edu/~dturney/port/papers/Electroless/07.pdf Enough! You can ask the www about it yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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