countrytravler Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 25 minutes ago, danvac1964 said: I have a 1934 Dodge Coupe and would like to install the lugage rack on it (missing). Any one else that would have one in good condition or at least restorable? Thanks, Dan Vac I think I can come up with the parts. I’m fighting this Pneumonia deal as we speak . I have another customer in this post also. I’m going to try next week for the parts hunt. thanks Dave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) Finding the parts Edited February 1, 2023 by countrytravler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomP Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Dave can you confirm if 33 & 34 are the same shape castings although the part numbers may be different. Thanks Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 6 hours ago, TomP said: Dave can you confirm if 33 & 34 are the same shape castings although the part numbers may be different. Thanks Tom I have no way to check. Look at the 1st picture of the 3 bolt mounting area, there is a difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 11 hours ago, countrytravler said: Finding the parts Hi Dave, I hope you're feeling better!!!! 5 of the brackets appear to be for coupes & the 2 that are stampings are for earlier year Mopar coupes. The catalogue from Al showed the sedan brackets which have a round post that goes through to the same holes in the frame that the spare tire mount attaches to. The part that attaches to the rack are the same for coupes & sedans, along with the curved & straight link plates. Thanks for the photos, hope you have some for the sedans. Cheers, jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 50 minutes ago, jiminyfixit said: Hi Dave, I hope you're feeling better!!!! 5 of the brackets appear to be for coupes & the 2 that are stampings are for earlier year Mopar coupes. The catalogue from Al showed the sedan brackets which have a round post that goes through to the same holes in the frame that the spare tire mount attaches to. The part that attaches to the rack are the same for coupes & sedans, along with the curved & straight link plates. Thanks for the photos, hope you have some for the sedans. Cheers, jim The 2 brackets showing is formed differently around the 3 bolt area. would you know what goes to what? Thanks for your input. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, countrytravler said: The 2 brackets showing is formed differently around the 3 bolt area. would you know what goes to what? Thanks for your input. Dave There are 3 nut inserts in the frame that these bolt attach to....for the coupes. Bill, up in Oregon sent me a photo of his frame that showed this bracket bolt pattern. The frame cross support is bent just like the brackets. I'll see if I can dig up that photo for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 17 minutes ago, jiminyfixit said: There are 3 nut inserts in the frame that these bolt attach to....for the coupes. Bill, up in Oregon sent me a photo of his frame that showed this bracket bolt pattern. The frame cross support is bent just like the brackets. I'll see if I can dig up that photo for you. I couldn't find the frame photo from Bill Fastenow, but if you go to Prev page 1 in this post, you will see the old add from several years ago of a rack with the sedan brackets. The single long post shows well. It has inside threads that bolts go into from the back side of the frame which are in the same locations as the bolt holes for the spare tire mount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomP Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 This is the rear cross member that the brackets bolt through on the Coupe Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 20 hours ago, TomP said: This is the rear cross member that the brackets bolt through on the Coupe Tom I see that this rear cross member is actually different from the sedans. Thanks for the photo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 On 5/3/2022 at 11:38 AM, Fireball3553 said: Was wondering if you still have the luggage rack for a 33-34 Dodge. Do you know where one can be had if you don't have yours. Thanks Coupe or sedan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 3 hours ago, countrytravler said: Coupe or sedan? It would be for the Aero Brougham Sedan you used to own:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1937hd45 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 The rack I posted in the original start of this discussion has been SOLD. Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 I noticed in your original posting that the rack was sold fairly quickly. I also noticed that the black frame photo posted by TomP looks like 31-32 years, because the 33-34 was shaped without a 90 degree bend in the frame. More of a 30 degree angle like Bill Fastnows' 34 Dodge frame. Chrysler may have used the same frame for coupes & sedans in 34. Anybody know for sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomP Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 The photo posted 1st Feb is definitely a September 1933 PD Coupe, the numbers stamped into the frame are same as the build card issued by Chrysler Historical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, TomP said: The photo posted 1st Feb is definitely a September 1933 PD Coupe, the numbers stamped into the frame are same as the build card issued by Chrysler Historical. Good to know. So there must be a difference between 33 & 34 frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomP Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 I have both frames, 33 Coupe and 34 2dr Sedan, the 34 is a much stronger frame with lightening windows in the X members. I will see if I can get to the rear next week, it's in store waiting for me to finish the 33 restoration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 34 WB is different and 34 has independent front suspension. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomP Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 The PE ran with 114" wheel base with independent front suspension PF 108" W/B and IFS PG 108" W/B with solid front axel with leaf springs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomP Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 This is the rear corner of my 34 PE frame not the best but I did say its in store. I'll search for more pics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomP Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Better view of the 34 PE Frame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 hours ago, TomP said: Better view of the 34 PE Frame. NICE FRAME!!!!! I'm envious:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34Carrott Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I would like to help with this discussion. I bought a pair of 1934 coupe trunk rack brackets at the Adair auction in 2020 and attached them to a spare PE sedan chassis I have out back. If you compare the rear of the sedan chassis to Tom's PE coupe chassis you can see they are essentially the same except the sedan has extensions riveted on for the longer body. Extensions on each side for the bumper attachment and a triangular piece riveted to the center for the spare tire mount. Dennis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 18 hours ago, 34Carrott said: I would like to help with this discussion. I bought a pair of 1934 coupe trunk rack brackets at the Adair auction in 2020 and attached them to a spare PE sedan chassis I have out back. If you compare the rear of the sedan chassis to Tom's PE coupe chassis you can see they are essentially the same except the sedan has extensions riveted on for the longer body. Extensions on each side for the bumper attachment and a triangular piece riveted to the center for the spare tire mount. Dennis Very interesting. I wonder how the brackets will exit the body panel. I think there are several rear body shapes for Plymouth in 34, which makes me curious where the mounting holes are for a spare tire rack. Oh, so many questions:). Good photo description Dennis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomP Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 19 hours ago, 34Carrott said: I would like to help with this discussion. I bought a pair of 1934 coupe trunk rack brackets at the Adair auction in 2020 and attached them to a spare PE sedan chassis I have out back. If you compare the rear of the sedan chassis to Tom's PE coupe chassis you can see they are essentially the same except the sedan has extensions riveted on for the longer body. Extensions on each side for the bumper attachment and a triangular piece riveted to the center for the spare tire mount. Dennis Dennis you've got me thinking now, how long are those frame extensions and are they parallel to the ground. Think that the bed on my 34 was bodged at the rear. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34Carrott Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 Tom. The extensions are parallel to the ground, are in two pieces and the bumper hole is 8" from the end of the frame. These are bolted on, not riveted. Jim, I am working on a Plymouth convertible coupe and the dust pan over the gas tank is the same as a Dodge coupe, convertible or other coupes. I plan on cutting holes in a spare pan and welding up the spare tire holes. Also. Does your Brougham have "Two door Sedan" doors? Just curious if the longer wheelbase had longer front doors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 The Brougham front door measures 31 1/4" along the lower part of the belt line just under the door handle. I'm thinking the front doors were all the same so the window frame assemblies would accommodate all models, but I might be wrong. I appreciate this research effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34Carrott Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Thank you, Jim. My convertible door has the same dimension. I acquired a set of convertible window regulators that are 3-1/2" longer and I am trying to figure out what they fit. What 1934 convertible door is 3-1/2" longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, 34Carrott said: Thank you, Jim. My convertible door has the same dimension. I acquired a set of convertible window regulators that are 3-1/2" longer and I am trying to figure out what they fit. What 1934 convertible door is 3-1/2" longer? Possibly the convertible sedan??? I know it too is on the 121" wheelbase & may be a different body structure than the Aero Brougham, which is also on the same 121" base. Both were advertised as "Special 121". BTW, are you sure they are 34? The 35 pictured in the F.B post may be 3 1/2" longer. Are you referring to just the regulators or the window frames? If they are regulators, they could be from a different year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1933 Dodge 4-door sedan that we sold with a luggage rack. 115" wheel base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 minute ago, countrytravler said: 1933 Dodge 4-door sedan that we sold with a luggage rack. 115" wheel base. The right angle back edge gives a clue to the type of brackets I have. The 34 frame has 2, 5/8" diameter holes in the frame for the spare tire carrier which are also the holes used by the luggage rack brackets. The brackets have a post coming off them that is around 3-4 inches long which make the brackets obviously different than the 33's & 34 coupe brackets. I have both of these type of brackets that I would love to trade someone for the "post" type. Here are some photos of the spare tire mount bracket with posts & the coupe luggage rack brackets w/o posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomP Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 On 3/24/2023 at 6:52 PM, 34Carrott said: Tom. The extensions are parallel to the ground, are in two pieces and the bumper hole is 8" from the end of the frame. These are bolted on, not riveted. I plan on cutting holes in a spare pan and welding up the spare tire holes. Dennis I have these pics on file which I used in another thread which might help you. The Grommets are 4 1/2" x 4 3/4" high, the hole in the gas tank shield are 3"sq with 3/4" corner rads. 21" between inside edge 27" across outside edges. All these dims. are from my 1933 PD Coupe. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34Carrott Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Thank you, Tom. This will be a great help to me. Dennis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1933 DeSoto convertible. Check out the mounting brackets for the luggage rack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 9 hours ago, countrytravler said: 1933 DeSoto convertible. Check out the mounting brackets for the luggage rack. Even the frame is different. More interesting old Mopar stuff to learn. Thanks Dave!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, jiminyfixit said: Even the frame is different. More interesting old Mopar stuff to learn. Thanks Dave!!! Looks like the same setup as the 33 Dodge sedan. Edited March 29, 2023 by countrytravler (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) Just found these. Part of the spare tire, luggage rack? Edited April 11, 2023 by countrytravler (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 4 hours ago, countrytravler said: Just found these. Part of the spare tire, luggage rack? These have the correct, long studs with bolts going up through the middle. I need to look at the photos of the sedan brackets with the rest of the hardware to see if these are correct. The missing links may be the same as the coupes. I will get back to you. Thanks Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyfixit Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Hi Dave , Just want to make sure you got my additional edit on this post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countrytravler Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 19 hours ago, jiminyfixit said: These have the correct, long studs with bolts going up through the middle. I need to look at the photos of the sedan brackets with the rest of the hardware to see if these are correct. The missing links may be the same as the coupes. I will get back to you. Thanks Dave. Okay Thanks Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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