Guest themagicisback Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 How many 1946 pace cars did they make? Is it just one and how would you know if it is a pace car? From what I've read, it seems the pace car that was sold may still be questionable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mssr. Bwatoe Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 One pace car, but many painted yellow ...chk these threads, i posted nice photos of it old and new...you should make yours a "tribute" copy car... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peecher Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Read somewhere that there was a "backup" car prepared just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest themagicisback Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) The reason I ask is because my vin# on the front frame rail looks like this "I - - - - - 2". The rear vin on the frame rail reads I-5-3. My vin# on my title reads 7H153572. Are my vin numbers just deteriorated that bad and if so how can I remedy this? Or is it the Holy Grail "I ndianapolis 2". HAHA! I'm dreaming! Where the "1" should be it does look like a "I" instead of a "1". Is the "I" roman numeral for the number "1"? Check out the pics and let me know what you think. Here's a pic of my progress.Previous body work was done in LEAD! Edited May 1, 2014 by themagicisback (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peecher Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 The "7H" on the title would indicate a 1947 model year and would mean the car was produced after the 1st of November 1946. Check with the Benson Ford Research Center to determine what vehicle had the "7H 153572" serial number and matches your car. I believe the "1 ndianapolis2" reasoning is a bit of a reach. If the description of the car for the serial number matches your car I think there's enough evidence to go ahead and re-stamp the missing characters. It appears that perhaps rust/corrosion erased the missing characters? Your title serial number indicates this was a fairly early production car and probably would have had 1946 trim items such as : "winged" hood ornament, hub caps with "hexagon" centers and instruments with dark gray background. My understanding is that Bill Stroppe who prepared the '53 road race Lincolns also prepared the '46 pace car(s). This would have been done in early 1946 before the big race. I think it was assumed that he did some "internal" engine mods to give these cars some much needed extra oomph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest themagicisback Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 The "7H" on the title would indicate a 1947 model year and would mean the car was produced after the 1st of November 1946. Check with the Benson Ford Research Center to determine what vehicle had the "7H 153572" serial number and matches your car. I believe the "1 ndianapolis2" reasoning is a bit of a reach. If the description of the car for the serial number matches your car I think there's enough evidence to go ahead and re-stamp the missing characters. It appears that perhaps rust/corrosion erased the missing characters? Your title serial number indicates this was a fairly early production car and probably would have had 1946 trim items such as : "winged" hood ornament, hub caps with "hexagon" centers and instruments with dark gray background. My understanding is that Bill Stroppe who prepared the '53 road race Lincolns also prepared the '46 pace car(s). This would have been done in early 1946 before the big race. I think it was assumed that he did some "internal" engine mods to give these cars some much needed extra oomph.Peecher, MAHALO for all the great info! I'll give the Benson Ford Research Center a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peecher Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 By the way, if your car has it's original transmission that serial number would also be stamped in the casting directly above the clutch inspection cover plate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest joe hill Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I think peecher meant (if you had the original engine block) then the serial number would be stamped at the back on the block in front of where the trans. connects to the block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1941 Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Actually , Dee P. is correct - The serial number is NOT on the engine block , but is stamped into the TRANSMISSION. There is no serial number on H-V12 Engines. (Maybe Those in the know back then anticipated frequent enginereplacements) ...........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldren Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Actually , Dee P. is correct - The serial number is NOT on the engine block , but is stamped into the TRANSMISSION. There is no serial number on H-V12 Engines. (Maybe Those in the know back then anticipated frequent enginereplacements) ...........?The number is also on the frame near the gas filler neck hole. I recently found mine while stripping the paint off the chassis. Top of transmission if it is the original transmission frame near motor mount and rear of frame. Benson Ford research will give you the original build sheet copy for $20. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest joe hill Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Dee p is correct. I think I had one of those "senior moments" I do have the matching transmission numbers on my 42. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Murphy Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Could it be that NO engine number number stamped on the block meant that the servicing dealer didn't have to submit paperwork to change the owner's title to reflect the new engine number. Quicker and easier to just substitute an factory authorized rebuilt inexpensive engine. Been told this by a couple of "oldtimers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 39 Pickup Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 At a LZOC show in Reston VA years ago I saw a 1942 Lincoln Custom that belonged to a Mr. Zimmerman(?) that had a serial number on the block just in front of the cylinder head. At the time, many questioned how and why when no other engines had a serial number. It was thought that in some states an engine number was required and that the dealer or later owner might have put a number there rather than explain to DMV why there was no serial number for the engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest themagicisback Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I called Benson Ford Research and I'll receive something in the mail any day now. The vin# on the transmission reads H177319. Again the "1's" look more like "I's" and the 9 may be a 7, not sure. I can't wait to get the info about the car! I'll keep everyone posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peecher Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Yes, it will be interesting to find out what those numbers show. The H177319 is a "1948" model year number and might indicate that it was a replacement especially if the S/N was for something other than a Continental Cabriolet? By the way, the style of the steel stamps used on these cars is such that the "1's" do look like capital "I's (eyes). Capital "I's" were not used in any Lincoln H series cars to my knowledge. The "vehicles" belonging to those 2 serial numbers should hopefully solve the mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest themagicisback Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I got the INFO and posted a picture! Of course, a couple questions follow. Was the "Sheldon Gray" color part of the interior or exterior? It say's "Leather, Red" but was it 2-tone w/ Sheldon Gray? The hand written part looks to be "Top Material Black". Kind of dumb question but does that mean it came with a black top or a black headliner? What are "Chrome Bands"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest themagicisback Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Yes, it will be interesting to find out what those numbers show. The H177319 is a "1948" model year number and might indicate that it was a replacement especially if the S/N was for something other than a Continental Cabriolet? By the way, the style of the steel stamps used on these cars is such that the "1's" do look like capital "I's (eyes). Capital "I's" were not used in any Lincoln H series cars to my knowledge. The "vehicles" belonging to those 2 serial numbers should hopefully solve the mystery.Mystery solved! The stamped numbers are deteriorated. The I is a 1. The engine and transmission were changed. The card says it came with a 2 speed warner but I have a 3 speed w/ OD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest themagicisback Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 The number is also on the frame near the gas filler neck hole. I recently found mine while stripping the paint off the chassis. Top of transmission if it is the original transmission frame near motor mount and rear of frame. Benson Ford research will give you the original build sheet copy for $20. LeeI got the build sheet from the Benson Ford Research Center. THANK YOU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 39 Pickup Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) Sheldon Gray is the exterior, Red leather would be all of the seats. If it was two material it would be a special order. Chrome bands are the beauty rings on the wheels. The overdrives were made by Warner.PS I spent two years at Schofield Barracks with the 25th Division courtesy of my Uncle same. I am surprised that a vehicle could last 60 years or more in that damp area. Edited May 14, 2014 by 39 Pickup (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldren Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Sheldon Gray is the exterior, Red leather would be all of the seats. If it was two material it would be a special order. Chrome bands are the beauty rings on the wheels. The overdrives were made by Warner.PS I spent two years at Schofield Barracks with the 25th Division courtesy of my Uncle same. I am surprised that a vehicle could last 60 years or more in that damp area.39 pickup is correct on the exterior Sheldon gray, all seats and sides were red leather, the convertible top was black canvas with the inside color( tan top bows match the tan color.) Overdrive was referred to as 2 speed regular or overdrive, three on the column low, second and high. Then at 35 you could .go into overdrive high. I had a Sheldon gray Continental coupe with a blue leather and blue Bedford cloth interior. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest themagicisback Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 39 pickup is correct on the exterior Sheldon gray, all seats and sides were red leather, the convertible top was black canvas with the inside color( tan top bows match the tan color.) Overdrive was referred to as 2 speed regular or overdrive, three on the column low, second and high. Then at 35 you could .go into overdrive high. I had a Sheldon gray Continental coupe with a blue leather and blue Bedford cloth interior. LeeHi Lee, Do you happen to have a paint code for Sheldon Gray? My paint guy called Dupont and they couldn't find it. Also, do you have a picture of the Sheldon Gray Continental? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peecher Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 On the computer, type in "Sheldon Gray 1946 Lincoln" . Amazing this stuff is out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldren Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I have the paint code but it will be the week end before I'm at the warehouse. No photos but it was refered to as Sheldon Gray Metallic. Sparkled in the sun. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Murphy Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 According to the LCOC restoration manual the code for the 1946 Sheldon Gray exterior paint is M14137. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest themagicisback Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 According to the LCOC restoration manual the code for the 1946 Sheldon Gray exterior paint is M14137.Hi, John MurphyThanks for the reply. My paint guy called DuPont and they couldn't find Sheldon Gray. After, 2 hours on the phone and several books of searching she found 1 cross reference book where it was hand written in "Sheldon Gray", but no formula. I'm striking out. Do you have any contacts or any more info about this color? http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetail.cgi?wtcode=14137 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest themagicisback Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 I have the paint code but it will be the week end before I'm at the warehouse. No photos but it was refered to as Sheldon Gray Metallic. Sparkled in the sun. LeeLEE! Is this the paint formula? I'll be so happy if it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Murphy Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 The Internet and Google never ceases to amaze me. I Googled "paint code for 1946 Lincoln Sheldon Gray" and up comes the desrded information...Seems like Ford's also used Shendon Gray for their cars in 1946. The info listed three manufacturers.......Ford code is 1413, the Ditzler PPG code is 30081, and finally Dupont lists 34885. The paragraph also list the same numbers for Ford. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest themagicisback Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Got it! Thanks for the help! http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/chipdisplay.cgi?year=1946&manuf=Ford&smodel=Lincoln&info=yes&page=14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 39 Pickup Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Be very careful if you use paint chips to find a color. I have a 1946 LC coupe that was originally Skyline Blue Metallic.The car had been repainted years ago and the color on the car was more of a dull, flat gray than a blue and I could see no metallic in the paint. The paint chips that I had were the same. The inside of the glove box door still had the original decal telling what oil to use and the proper PSI for the tires. The color was so bad that I decided to change color to maroon and bought the paint. When I tore down the car I discovered the original color under the shifter that was bolted to the steering column. The Skyline Blue Metallic was a beautiful color, unlike what was left on the car and the paint chip. Colors of that day are difficult to replicate because in the day, the effects of UV light was not understood/solvable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Custodian Posted August 21, 2022 Share Posted August 21, 2022 On 5/24/2014 at 7:01 AM, Guest 39 Pickup said: Be very careful if you use paint chips to find a color. I have a 1946 LC coupe that was originally Skyline Blue Metallic.The car had been repainted years ago and the color on the car was more of a dull, flat gray than a blue and I could see no metallic in the paint. The paint chips that I had were the same. The inside of the glove box door still had the original decal telling what oil to use and the proper PSI for the tires. The color was so bad that I decided to change color to maroon and bought the paint. When I tore down the car I discovered the original color under the shifter that was bolted to the steering column. The Skyline Blue Metallic was a beautiful color, unlike what was left on the car and the paint chip. Colors of that day are difficult to replicate because in the day, the effects of UV light was not understood/solvable. Hi, Iam visiting an old thread as looking for the correct Skyline Blue for the '46 Continental. 39 Pickup, I will be thankful if you can share the images of the correct Skyline Blue as you found it. Anyone knows more abvout it ? Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Custodian Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Esteemed members, Does any of you know the gent with the login name '39 Pick up' ? If so, please DM the email / contact info. He is the only bet in my endeavour to find the correct Skyline Blue color. Please help. Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Custodian Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 On 8/28/2022 at 12:02 PM, The Custodian said: Esteemed members, Does any of you know the gent with the login name '39 Pick up' ? If so, please DM the email / contact info. He is the only bet in my endeavour to find the correct Skyline Blue color. Please help. Dev Members...does anyone know who "39 PIck UP" is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Custodian Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 On 8/28/2022 at 12:02 PM, The Custodian said: Esteemed members, Does any of you know the gent with the login name '39 Pick up' ? If so, please DM the email / contact info. He is the only bet in my endeavour to find the correct Skyline Blue color. Please help. Dev I found the Skyline Blue #M14138 formulation. Thanks to all members for their time and help. Dev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbenvie Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Here is a Facebook Group on the 46 Pace Car. It still exists with a very long time owner.https://www.facebook.com/groups/2533559130192053 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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