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An extremely nice 1917 Peerless Limousine is for sale on the Vault Classic Cars web-site ( www.vaultcars.com ). Photos of the automobile show a really sumptuous interior -- plus the unusual Peerless V-8 engine restored to perfection. Thank you to Chris Summers for bringing these photos to my attention.

 

___Note: This car is really a 1920 and now owned by Walter Miller

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There are THREE Peerless cars coming up for auction in the November Hilton Head, SC event. Nice photos and descriptions at: www.WWGauction.com.

The October Hemmings has a photo ad portraying a 1909 & a 1912 Peerless -- but the World Wide Group website shows a 1917 Cloverleaf Roadster as well. If someone wants to create a Peerless Museum then this would be the auction to start at.

I almost regret mentioning it, because the automobile descriptions are so well-written.....but an explanation of the Peerless Company's Dual Power Range Eight feature refers to a carburetor working like a more modern 4-barrel rather than to a two-speed rear end. ----Jeff

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I looked at the World Wide Group auction results, and it appears that the 1917 1920 Peerless went for $51,700.

No record of a sale price for the 1912 and 1909 Peerless.

Classics:
1929 Stutz Blackhawk: $ 95,200, 1934 Pierce-Arrow 836: $ 47,300. 1938 Buick 40-C Phaeton: $ 77,600. 1931 Chrysler Imperial: $172,000. 1938 Cadillac: $ 286,000.

Post-WWII Collectibles:

1958 Dodge Coronet: $220,000. 3 Ford Mustang-based sports cars sold for: $245,000, total. 1953 Chevrolet Corvette: $440,000.
 

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It was a No Reserve auction correct? My 1st thought was Reserve Not Met. Hemmings Classic Cars and/or Hemmings Motor News might cover this auction and have more results.

I don't get it. $51,700 for a Peerless and $220,000 for a Dod ge Coronet????????

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The Hemmings ad for the auction didn't have the tag "For Sale With No Reserve" on it in the case of 3 cars, including the 1909 and 1912 Peerlesses.

I don't know why the Dodge Coronet grossed so much more than the 1917 Peerless. Maybe the buyer was looking for something with a lot of potential for Cruise Nights, or the Dodge was a rare model ( it was a Super D-500 convertible ). Not counting trucks, I think there are about 4 1917 Peerlesses in the world. Any Dodge/Chrysler experts reading who can tell me how many 1958 Dodge's there are out there? The number of Dodge's built in 1958 was 137,861 and Peerless production for 1917 was 3,915.

Obviously, auction prices are affected by rarity but not dictated by it, or else the relatively plentiful 1953 Corvette would not have sold for so much more than the one Peerless which did sell.

The Peerless was a well-restored Cloverleaf Roadster. Perhaps the Corvette was really well-restored, too, befitting its rareness. I've never seen one myself, but the owner of a 1920 Peerless Cloverleaf advertised for sale on Hemmings earlier this year said that they have dual exhausts, a 4-barrel carburetor, and a 340 cu. in. V-8. Pretty advanced for 1920.

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There were around 9000 1917 Peerless made.

Probably tens-of-thousands of 1958 Dodge Coronets but they made 4 different types of Coronet that year.

I'll have to stop you on the Corvette statement, though.

Chevrolet Corvette production was:

1953.. 300 (three-hundred)

1954.. 3640

1955.. 700 (seven-hundred)

1956.. 3467

So...... Peerless 1917 production was far greater than the first 4 years of Corvette production (1953-1956)

That's why the higher price for the Corvette...... besides.... we all know what's left of a Corvette after a bad accident. Not much left to restore.

Still can't figure the Coronet price, though.

Ford Mustangs must have been really nice cars to fetch that kind of money for the three.

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Thanks for commenting on the Amelia Island Auction discussion, GP.

When I was describing the 1953 Corvette as "relatively plentiful", I was referring to the present. I read an ad for a 1953 Corvette for sale recently that said it was one of only about 50 remaining cars ( I can't remember the exact number - but it was somewhere between 30 and 60 ). So, even though '53 Corvettes are lots rarer than '93 Corvettes; '17 Peerlesses are rarer than '53 Corvettes.

I agree with you that there were way more Peerlesses made in '17 [The Standard Catalog says 3,915] than Corvettes in '53.

---- Jeff

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Well......... if ever confronted with the option of purchasing a complete, restored 1950s Corvette OR a 'teens Peerless.......... I would select the Peerless.

I have never owned one but I think, in my opinion, they are one of the most exquisite automobiles ever produced.

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That's a tough comparison, in my opinion apples to oranges. I have personally been in 2 Peerless cars, a 1918 and a 1920.

I'm pretty sure I would not want my collection to revolve around these cars but as part of a much larger collection, they would be quite enjoyable.

The two I saw, for instance, were part of at least a 50 car mostly pre 1940 car collection. They have not seen the road in years, and probably won't for another many years.

From my perspective then, these are fine works of art, like a painting on a wall, to view and appreciate. Now a more modern "collectible automobile" can be almost anything, but most of all, they are driveable.

A 53 to 57 Corvette is capable of 'in traffic' cruising. A 1920 Peerless has 2 or 4 wheel mechanical brakes, insufficient top speed, and lacks the smoothness.

It is always tough to make a comparison of values. BUT, not as tough for a 58 Dodge Coronet at such a price vs. a Nickle era car.

Off hand, with no information in front of me, the top of the line 58 Dodge Coronet would be a D500 convertible, in pristine shape, maybe it's a $75,000 car. The D500 was the "Chrysler 300" of the year, with HO V8 and performance upgrades.

It's an interesting topic, but what I don't understand is the comparison of the Old Limited that sold at hershey for 1.6 million $$ or thereabouts and ANY top of the line Peerless, Packard, or Pierce Arrow from the same time.

The 3 P's were virtually hand built and just as impressive as the Olds Limiteds.

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Regarding the last two posts:

If needing to choose between a 1917 Peerless and a 1953 Corvette, I would pick the Peerless. It is a little rarer, a little older....plus you get a V-8 ( and an early, pioneering make of V-8 at that ).

Not that I wouldn't like to own a 1953 Corvette. About a month ago, I made a list of autos I would put in an 18-car garage if I was building the ultimate car collection, but limited to 18 cars. The list is also limited to cars that have actually been built -- but not necessarily to ones that are still around -- and there's a Corvette on the list:

1. 1900 Peerless Type 1, Model A, 1-cyl., 2 3/4 h.p.

2. 1912 Peerless 60-Six Limousine Straight-6 (the 824.8)

3. 1922 Lincoln V-8

4. 1925 Duesenberg Straight-8

5. 1927 Packard Sedan Straight-6

6. 1927 Peerless 6-80 Sedan Straight-6

7. 1927 Pierce-Arrow Model 80 Straight-6

8. 1929 Auburn Straight-8

9. 1929 Cord L-29 Sedan Straight-8

10. 1929 Gardner Sedan Straight-8

11. 1929 Peerless 8-125 Sedan Straight-8

12. 1931 Peerless All-Aluminum Murphy-Bodied Blind-Rear-Quarter Sedan V-16

13. 1953 Chevrolet Corvette Straight-6

14. 1955 Ford Thunderbird V-8

15. 1963 Studebaker Avanti V-8

16. 1968 Lamborghini Miura V-12

17. 1972 Lamborghini Espada V-12

18. 1989 Lamborghini LM 002 V-12

Like most such fantasy-based lists, this one has no bearing upon my ability to afford them, or even upon what are the 18 most valuable cars in the world. I HAVE covered what are the Two Triple Crowns of car collecting, in my opinion: A-C-D and the Three P's. Number 1 is so rare {15 built, none known to exist} that there aren't even any photos of the car that have survived, as far as I know.

On the subject of actually driving the '20 Peerless and the '53 Corvette, maybe Automobile Magazine or Sports Car Market could do a big article called "Time Warp Road Test" and compare their performance. It would be a colossal mis-match in some ways, considering the 33-year difference in manufacture dates, but they were both kind of "rocket-ships" for their time. If I were putting-together such a story, my biggest problem would be the ethical issue of :

Do we really want to flog these cars up and down the highway (if we can find them) for a road test? Maybe it would be better to just compare the relative merits of each car on paper.

Since we're already pretty far out toward Fantasy Island on this post........let's say I have to write an article for Sports Car Market about a real road trial of the the two cars. First I run the 1953 Corvette against the 1920 Peerless Roadster on a 50-mile drive through rural Indiana. Closed course, no speed limits. The Corvette wins, probably. Then I hold the road race again, but with the 1920 Peerless against a 1920 Chevrolet, any production model. The Peerless wins, probably.

Regarding the idea of stopping a Warren G. Harding-Era Car, don't forget Ettore Bugatti's philosophy of: "I make my cars to go, not to stop!".

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Well Jeff, the cool part about the hobby is that some of us can get what we want. My list is not so "high end" in that I grew up prefering Chrysler and GM products. In some cases, these cars are marginally available to me in "project" form, which as you know is how I prefer to buy my cars.

18 cars would go by quick for me.

If I could own one Peerless it would be a very late V8 Touring, perhaps a 1927-28 long wheelbase model.

I am a pre-war Aerodynamic period/Art Deco lover. So I would have a 37 Chrysler Imperial Airflow C17.

I also want a 38 Cadillac 60 Special. This was the 1st year for Bill Mitchell's revolutionary car. It is interesting to note these are both 4 door sedans. Inpost war years I would easily shift to 2 door models, considered more sporty.

The point you make regarding it being a wish list, and being able to drive them - for me - evokes previous posts I have that ask to be a passenger in member's cars at events.

"My Classic Car" host, I forget his name, is one lucky dude - in taht he gets to drive a different cool car very show.

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Jake -- I have to admit my list has some high-end cars on it, but I was calling it an ultimate car collection. 18 sounds like a lot of cars, but it's a small enough number that you have to be discriminating. No room for "one of every year Ford & Chevrolet 1920-1950" like the Pioneer Village Museum has done. Only about 7 of them are over the $50,000 mark. The '31 Peerless, the Corvette and the Miura would be kind of expensive.

The '31 Peerless is the one I told you about that no one knows the whereabouts of (it may have been melted down to make B-24's). I have heard that the car it resembles - that still survives in Ohio - may be worth 2 1/2 million, so that might be a little pricey if it were to turn up.

But... with that Peerless and the 1900, you'd have one of the first models built and one of the last. The 1900 is a little three-wheeler. It would be hard to find two cars made by the same company less alike! A '25 Duesenberg was on e-bay this summer for $45,000 at one point, but I don't know if it ever sold. Have you ever seen the '22 Lincoln for sale on Photobucket? If you haven't, you should look it up. It would be just the thing to appear at a Lincoln meet in. It has, uh, unusual bodywork. Interestingly enough, it MAY be a Leland-built, pre-Ford Lincoln and qualify for CCCA Full-Classic status (big IF on that one). ---Jeff

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I hear from Canadian Members John and Sherry that the Peerlesses that did not sell at the 2007 Hilton Head Auction are for sale once again. Apparently, the 1917 V-8 Cloverleaf Roadster that did sell went for a bargain-basement price ( $51,700 ), considering what the asking prices of the other two are:

1909 Model 19 "Roi des Belges" barnfind $650,000

1912 Model 36 concours-quality restoration $1,950,000

I believe that these touring cars are listed in the April HMN. I found a stunning set of photos for these two cars listed on the following website, as well: www.collinsbrosjeep.com .

-Jeff

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The people with the 1909 & 1912 Peerless cars for sale now have photos up of a restored 1913 Peerless Mod. 48-Six Roadster for sale. You need to go to the Collins Bros. site above, then select "classic cars", to find the photos. This is the car that was written about in the Horseless Carriage Gazette back in the 60's -- it was HELICOPTERED out of a canyon in California before it could be restored, according to the accompanying story, leading it to be called "The car that came from the sky".

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Just an FYI all three peerless cars listed above will be in pebble beach this august.

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Peerless Photos In October, 2015 Hemmings Motor News

 

There are color photos of Peerlesses on pages 39, 137, and 506:

  • 1917..........332 V-8
  • 1932..........464 V-16
  • 1918..........332 V-8
  • 1920..........332 V-8
  • 1929..........248 I-6

...plus a 1913 Roadster for sale on p. 199 with no photo (578 I-6).

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Sardis-164-150x150.jpgphoto courtesy of www.gearheads4life.com

 

This Peerless appeared at the April Fest Open Car & Motorcycle Show in Sardis, Mississippi this year. Unknown owner -- but the automotive writer from the site(Shawn Brereton) said it was a stand-out at the 131-car show put on by the the Mississippi Delta Street Rods. This looks like a nicely-restored 1929 Model 6-81...identical to the one Tom Wallace has for sale in Dayton, Ohio...except restored instead of low-mileage original. (See the For Sale - 1929 Peerless 6-81 Sedan thread here - 33,000-mile car/wearin' it's original paint)

 

I like the color, which seems to be tending towards Ultramarine. This would have set you back $1,600-1,700 back in '29. One of only two Peerlesses in Mississippi, the other being a 15-years-older Model 48-Six Limousine in the state's finest auto collection....found in Tupelo.

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Hopefully I can capture photos of these Peerlesses various people have for sale in Hemmings Motor News:

(most of the fabulous description below is mine unless in quotes)

 

Yellow '28 Peerless 6-80 on pg 479 of the February Hemmings is $48,000. Location: Joplin, MO area. Call: #(417) 434-0236 or email rsavage50@gmail.com for information. I could not find the ad on the HMN site, so used this 10-year-old picture of what I believe may be the same car on the Peerless: The Greatest Car You've Never Heard Of site. "99.9% original. Everything functional". Disc wheels, extremely rare boattail coupe(Roadster Coupe) with rumble seat. 

 

<img src="http://s515.com/PRL/Peerless02.JPG"alt="1928 Model 80 Large"/>

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There's a Stutz Royal Red & Ivory '29 Peerless 6-81 Sedan I saw on HMN online 1/7/16, listed at $65,995. Location: Florida.

Recent concours-quality restoration. They're calling this Cinnamon and Cream, but I feel it conforms to the earlier-mentioned 1929 factory colors. Disc wheels, full instrumentation including Sterling brand electric clock. Call Streetside Classics at #(813) 501-1630.

 

<img src="http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/53874863-170-0.jpg?rev=8"alt="1929 Peerless  Sedan"/>

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Also on HMN today is a Maroon 1930 Peerless Master 8 listed for $30,000. Location: Pittsburgh, PA area(Homer City).

I would describe this as a very nice original Straight Eight Sedan, based on the pictures. From the looks of the paint , it may have been re-painted. Wood wheels, dual sidemounts, 322 cubic inch 115-HP Continental engine, 125" w.b. I talked to the older previous owner once, and know it was in heated storage for many years. The 322 Continentals were used in various permutations from 1929-1932 in the Jordan Speedway Ace, the DuPont, the Elcar Model 140, the Graham-Paige, and the Peerless 8-125, Master and Custom Eight, all CCCA Classics. Elcar fans point out that this was the fourth most powerful car built in the U.S. in 1931. Call the owner and seller at: #(724) 479-4193.

 

<img src="http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/47974733-770-0.jpg?rev=1"alt="47974733-770-0.jpg?rev=1"/>

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Hopefully I can capture photos of these Peerlesses various people have for sale in Hemmings Motor News:

 

Yellow '28 Peerless 6-80 on pg 479 of the February Hemmings is $48,000. Location: Joplin, MO area. Call: #(417) 434-0236 or email rsavage50@gmail.com for information. I could not find the ad on the HMN site, so used this 10-year-old picture of what I believe may be the same car on the "Peerless: The Greatest Car You've Never Heard Of" site. "99.9% original. Everything functional". Disc wheels, extremely rare boattail coupe(Roadster Coupe) with rumble seat. 

 

<img src="http://s515.com/PRL/Peerless02.JPG"alt="1928 Model 80 Large"/>

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There's a Stutz Royal Red & Ivory '29 Peerless 6-81 Sedan I saw on HMN online 1/7/16, listed at $65,995. Location: Florida.

Recent concours-quality restoration. They're calling this Cinnamon and Cream, but I feel it conforms to the earlier-mentioned 1929 factory colors. Disc wheels, Sterling brand electric clock. Call Streetside Classics at #(813) 501-1630.

 

<img src="http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/53874863-170-0.jpg?rev=8"alt="1929 Peerless  Sedan"/>

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Also on HMN today is a Maroon 1930 Peerless Master 8 listed for $30,000. Location: Pittsburgh, PA area(Homer City).

I would describe this as a very nice original Straight Eight Sedan, based on the pictures. From the looks of the paint , it may have been re-painted. Wood wheels, dual sidemounts, 322 cubic inch 115-HP Continental engine, 125" w.b. I talked to the older previous owner once, and know it was in heated storage for many years. The 322 Continentals were used in various permutations from 1929-1932 in the Jordan Speedway Ace, the DuPont, the Elcar Model 140, the Graham-Paige, and the Peerless 8-125, Master and Custom Eight, all CCCA Classics. Call the owner and seller at: #(724) 479-4193.

 

<img src="http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/47974733-770-0.jpg?rev=1"alt="47974733-770-0.jpg?rev=1"/>

 

Please visit the ad to see more pictures. http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/peerless/master-eight/1771559.html The engine has 13K-366 on the side. Serial #40316 Model B. Model 127 Type 127 Series B.

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Possibly a Peerless truck:

 

Thanks to nzcarnerd for spotting this photo from imcdb.com and the film "The Invisible Man", 1933. Nearly all the Peerless Trucks had hard rubber tires and dual rear wheels, but I've never seen a photo of a 2-ton model.

 

Peerless Truck

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...a nice side view of the lowest-priced car Peerless ever sold, the Six-61 Roadster. Sold at the Owl's Head Sale this year for over fifty grand. Shown at Hershey in 2012 after its brilliant restoration when Mark Garvin of Massachusetts was owner. New owner unknown(I wonder if he knows these aren't real common......with 2 in existence). The caption for the ads for these was: "Boy! What a roadster!" Available from $1,195.

 

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 This model was the 1st car in Salmon, Idaho --- 112 years ago in 1904 --- driven over the Continental Divide from Montana:

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If you want to own the sales catalog this picture is in, autolit.com has it for sale on ebay. 

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Appeared in TheOldMotor.com January 26th, 2015, a coachbuilt 1908 Peerless Limousine or Berline. Holcker-Elberg was in Kansas City, Missouri

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Except for the Edwardian-Era Peerless sales literature, this is the most beautiful graphic design of any Peerless catalog, IMO, the  one for The  PEERLESS SIX-91. Last time I checked, these were going for $60-$95 on ebay and vintage literature sites. They have 12 pages and show 5 models -- these 4, and a 5-Pass. Sedan(light blue lower body & wheels; orange bands lined up with beltline & bottom of doors; and black upper body): 

 

Exhibit 1   (2-P coupe)  Only one of these 6-91 Cabriolets exists, in Missouri. 

Photo: autopaper.com

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Exhibit 2   (7-P Sedan)Two 6-91 Sedans similar to this known to exist: a 7-Pass. in Iowa and a 5-Pass. in Massachusetts. Photo: autolit.com

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Exhibit 3   (4-P opera coupe) If I were a car show judge, I would blow the whistle on those lavender tires. Did such a thing exist? Photo: autolit.com

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Exhibit 4   (5-P blind rear quarter sedan)  Photo: autolit.com

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And if you painted it that color today we would all howl!   Most cars were brown, back or some other dark color pre 1930, but ever once in a while something crazy got made.

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