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...and unlike some other cars of the 60's, you can pull a 30-foot Airstream trailer with it, too, as well as drive down to Baskin-Robbins.

Someone has a car like this for sale in Montana and they are calling it a Packardbaker.

It looks a little like a Triumph Herald.

Yep, a '27 and a '28. Not exactly Condition #1 vintage cars, but rare & stylish Peerlesses nonetheless. Do you have a similar car? I remember that you posted a photo of a wheel from what may have been a 1929 or so Model 6-81 here on the Peerless Forum a while back.

Frank, A good point about oil not being sold in quart containers back in the old days. I used the idea of bringing seven cases of oil on a long trip as a way to underline how unusual that would seem to the modern car owner. Of course, even if eight gallons of oil per thousand miles was considered good back then, the average guy would buy it on the road, I think, instead of bringing it. We should make a point of asking someone we know who's old enough to remember driving newer cars back in the late 20's. Maybe they would remember if it took a quart of oil or a gallon to drive from Columbus to Cleveland. The report on oil & gas consumption was from the December 9th, 1927 CO-OPERATOR, published by Peerless for their dealers. I actually have a Peerless of the same model as the one used by the driver in question, but it's not exactly running yet. When I get it running I'll have to report in! Don't expect my oil and gas mileage to be better in an 80-year-old car, though.

Thanks for all the comments and opinions on what might be going on. I've heard that the "total loss" system from the pre-1910-era could mean, if you were in a car race and in car #2, the oil from car #1 would really blast you! I found the source of the mileage quote. It is on an original dealer newsletter from about 1928 for sale on the "autolit.com" site. A Peerless 6-80 owner said he used "...twenty-one gallons of oil on the trip and his total repairs consisted of $2.50 for replacement of a screw which worked out of the carburetor and $1.50 for repair of one puncture. Mr. Crooke is an owner who takes wonderful care of his car and is very proud of its performance."

RenegadeV8, Out of more than 107,000 Peerless cars and trucks built ( 1900-1931 ), probably less than 1,000 survive. I keep a record of this, and now have 292 vehicles on my list, but the number keeps growing. "New" Peerlesses that no one has ever heard of keep appearing out of nowhere. Since there is no central record-keeping of cars nationally or internationally, there's really nowhere to check. Law enforcement and state vehicle registration offices only do a sporadic job of record-keeping, long term.

Here is post that's even older: Sept, 12th, 1994 John Henry Parlevliet ( cake@gpo.swin.edu.au ) left a message on www.alt.autos.antique seeking information about a car his friend owns -- a 1926 Peerless boattail coupe located somewhere in Australia with a six-cylinder, 230 cubic inch motor.

I was hoping that this was some kind of typo, or the owner meant 21 quarts of oil. It just boggles the mind to think of preparing for a 3,000-mile trip and someone saying: "Did you remember to throw in the seven cases of oil in the back seat?"

Desoto Frank, Thanks for your response. I Know a Model "A" Ford will deposit oil in the engine compartment w/o an oil breather tube, but didn't know if it was a by-product of combustion or just spash lubrication in general. The trip in question was actually written-up in a Peerless dealer publication. I don't have it in front of me...but it was a report from a customer who was pleased with performance and efficiency of the car. I did write down the figures: 3,021 miles, 183 1/3 gallons of gas, 21 gallons of oil.

I read an account of someone going on a 2,000-mile trip from Chicago to Washington, D.C. and back in the 1920's. They had a newer car, kept track of all gas & oil purchases, and their oil consumption was about 10% of their gas consumption. It makes me wonder -- where was all that oil going?

The next Peerless Motor Car Club News Letter will have an article about the expedition to the wilds of Los Angeles that Philippe Mordant and I took. Our quarry was a pair of 1920's Peerlesses.

If you're interested in the subject of Peerless Sixes and the CCCA Full Classics [TM] list, or seeing a photo of a 1927 Packard next to a 1927 Peerless....please look at the first page of this thread.

85. I was shocked to discover the factory price of a 1928 Peerless Model 8-69 7-Passenger Sedan: $3,095. You could have bought six Model A's for that much money! 86. A photo of a Peerless truck at work with a steam shovel is for sale on ebay. Time period: 1920's. Location: South Vallejo, California. 87. 1923 Luxury Car Sales Figures: Cadillac 17,809, Packard 13,832, Peerless 4,775, Lincoln 4,348, Marmon 2,830, Auburn 2,443 and Pierce-Arrow 1,669. 88. With the passing of the manheimgold antique value guide a few months ago, about all that is left is the The Standard Catalog of American Cars, Vol. I, 1805-1942. One example is 1929 Peerless 6-61 Roadster...$47,000; and 1929 Mod. 6-81 7-Pass. Phaeton...$49,000; the highest of any of the 329 Peerless models and body styles listed. 89. Remember that the book listed above was published in 1996. It does list the factory prices -- and has a 5-tier condition rating -- and was compiled by eminent auto historians -- but still consists of ESTIMATES, not real sale prices. Some of the estimates are really pulled out of a hat, in my opinion. 90. Re: PRF #88. The Standard Catalog value for a Condition#1 1929 6-61 Roadster is one of the highest of all 329 Peerlesses there. This was probably the least expensive Peerless model ever offered for sale between 1900 and 1931! 91. Re: PRF #88. Listing for a 1900 Peerless Type B Motorette, Condition#5...$4,000.

So when do we get to see the Tucker Station Wagon, Woody, and Pickup?

Good One, Bryan! Reminds me of the story I heard about a bar owner in Wyoming who got a letter from the AMC/Jeep Corporation in the 70's. AMC/Jeep heard he owned a bar called "Jeep's" and were informing him he could no longer use their trademarked name. The owner wrote back and said his nickname was Jeep and that the bar had been in business since 1937 under that name. Though he might have grounds for suing the automaker for taking his name...he said he'd be content with five bucks for every vehicle made with the word Jeep on it since 1945. That, supposedly, ended the dispute. A clothing designer in New York trademarked the word "Montana" a few years ago. What we're supposed to call that state between North Dakota and Idaho, I don't know!

I'm into old cars because my dad was. I'm into old cars because my grandfather was. Maybe my Epidemiologist, Dr. Ron Munger, should look into this!

Yesterday I had a spare half-hour, and got to go look at that Sedan that's been advertised on the Franklin Club website for awhile in Salmon, ID. It looks a little better than the one photo shows ---- there aren't any rusted-out body panels that I could see ---- but whoever restores it would have to be someone who's not fazed by replacing all the wood, upholstery, top and paint. Other than that it's a pretty grand car. Maybe I'm just one of those types who always sees the glass half full, but so be it.

A 1928 Peerless Boat Tail Coupe!

Dear DocsGal, Though I really don't know what these door handles fit, they say to me "Late 20's Mid-to Upper-Priced Cars" more than "50's Mercury or Lincoln". I have a 20's Peerless with similar handles. I don't know you -- but enjoy seeing the picture of what I assume is you & your Dad. Nice candid photo! Feliz Natal! --- as they say South of the Border (Brazil)

I wanted to let the picture speak for itself, then see if anyone noticed the notation at the top of the photo or noticed that this was a special occasion of some kind. Admiral Togo had fairly recently defeated the Russian Navy in the Russo-Japanese War, if I recall correctly. Peerless was at the top of their game a hundred years ago. Richard Wager said in his book Golden Wheels, after describing the company price range of $4,300 for a 4-cylinder Touring up to $7,300 for a 6-cylinder Landaulet: "The latter topped the list as the most expensive American gasoline pleasure car." We had a poster on the Peerless Forum a couple of years ago ("Peerless Records??" thread) who sent in a photo of his great-grandfather chauffeuring a businessman named F.J. Logan from N.Y. City. These cars are very similar and the photo is still on the Photo Gallery at the top of the page if you search and type in "Peerless".

The Milestone Car Club Forum sure isn't getting much use. Maybe they should change their name to the Postwar Classics Car Club or the Postwar Thoroughbred Car Club and cater to the people who like Packard Caribbeans, 50's Lincolns, 60's Bentleys, etc. NOTE: When I wrote this, I hadn't noticed that this forum had been deleted.

I know someone with the remains of a similar-era Kissel Kar truck for sale, and there's someone down the street from me with about a 1928 FWD flatbed truck sitting out behind his house if you wouldn't mind a newer rig & having to deal with four-wheel-drive (I'm guessing you live somewhere that's got snow for Christmas). The vehicle is on desertclassics.com and is supposed to be a 1915 Kissel truck, with solid rubber tires, 14-spoke wooden wheels, and a 4-cylinder motor. Can't remember if it's LHD or RHD.

INCREDIBLE photo of the chain-drive truck carrying the chain-drive motorcycle. Must have been for an Independence Day parade. My question is: "Which would you rather have?"

1992 Yugo "NBA Allstar Edition"...not a big success.